October Community Update Discussion Thread

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Diagbar said:
How is this possible? Well, I'll be happy to tell you.
You see, in any community there are many groups of people.
There are those who will hate and insult the project (the elite, in our case) in any case, no matter what happens. "haters" if not mistaken.
There are also players who are deeply indifferent to the fate of both the project and the fate of the company. They bought the game and they play the game until they get tired, as soon as this happens, they leave and forget that FDev and elite have ever existed, you will not see them again.
There is a group of people who refuse to take seriously anything other than your project. And they will extol you anyway, whatever FDev does. (the so-called fanboys), most likely, the fate of the elite and FDev are also deeply indifferent to them.
And there is also a group embodying a collective image of all the others.
If you have done something good, you will be praised, if you have done something bad / have not done anything, they will point it out and scold you. These people are deeply concerned about the state of your project and they worry about the future of it and the company as a whole.
Most likely, until recently, you only heard the voices of fanboys, because they really sounded louder than the others, and now, the voice of that part of the community is beginning to sound louder and more distinctly that says to you "wake up, you have problems!"
I hope the translator translated everything clearly :)
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Yesh, it is clear thanks. I guess the point being made is that sometimes you can surprisingly have the same person arguing that Elite does not have competition and then arguing that Elite has competition, depending on the narrative he/she is trying to push at any given time.

Me, I think Elite has always had tons of competition. Since day 1.
 

[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
Diagbar said:
Space engineers is just one example. There is empyrion galactic survival, interstellar rift,
Dual universe, and you just look how skywanderers has changed and prettier over the past year.
And all these games are not made by a team of more than a hundred people, no, 10-15 or even less.
As for FDev, they do what makes a profit. What makes a profit? Sale of in-game cosmetic items.
The "new era" may be done (which I doubt) but probably by a small team in my free time. I know what they write about a huge team working 7 days a week 24 hours a day, but, think for yourself, if they write otherwise, they are not so beautiful words, will the community also actively buy cosmetics? I think no. That is the reason.
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Any of those on console and better than elite dangerous? Im assuming they are not since ive not seen anything worth buying in the ps store. There are some decent vr single mission combat based (noticeably lesser in quality) knock offs like Endspace or Eve Valkyrie Online that have no open world aspect whatsoever.

Rebel galaxy outlaw looks cool but afaik its not on console yet if ever
 

Diagbar

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Viajero said:
Yesh, it is clear thanks. I guess the point being made is that sometimes you can surprisingly have the same person arguing that Elite does not have competition and then arguing that Elite has competition, depending on the narrative he/she is trying to push at any given time.

Me, I think Elite has always had tons of competition. Since day 1.
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Yes, the opinion of people can also change, I used to be in the group of “fanboys” myself, somewhere until 2017, and then, gradually began to change my mind, and now, after about 3340 hours of the game (if you believe steam), I’m still I love the elite, perhaps stronger than before. But, now I'm increasingly worried about the future of the elite. Therefore, I ask you to show at least some results of work on the "new era"
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero

Riverside

Riverside
So this LEP thing.

What's happened is that we used to get 'enough' info, then that petered out. There was every (stated) intention to start the Dev Updates again, but the last update was March '16 (about 6 months after the 2015 LEP was sold) and then the 2.1 update was delayed 'because they wanted to do it right'. An honourable justification.

I have been chasing up progress, concerned that delays would turn into protracted periods without signs of development on extra content I had just paid out for.

My concerns have proved justified. I'm happy with the existing game (mostly, put the ADS back in please FDev, time has once again told that as I said before the 3.3 release, there was no need to remove it), and will be happy to have my account reverted to a regular base + horizons account.

I'm not asking on behalf of anyone else, I'm just seeing a problem and presenting an amicable solution. It's that simple.

Clearly the plan has changed, apologies have already been given, offering refunds for the unredeemed value is a reasonable course of action by now. No demands, no screeching, just a nice, simple solution that doesn't affect any non-LEPer, and doesn't need to affect any LEPer that is happy.
 
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Diagbar

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Viajero said:
Volunteer moderators are not staff of FDEV so I have the same info as you I am afraid.

In terms of advance of information or lack thereof I think Paige has already laid down (or rather reminded) the main principles FDEV follows: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/i-was-right-you-were-wrong.512882/page-9#post-7825345
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I know that you are not part of the permanent FDev team.
In other topics, I write community managers, if a person appears on the forum indicating what can be said and what can not, I will write to him.
I already suggested something, I remember a simple and effective move in my opinion.
Ask those people who want to know information, mail. And send them the results of the work there. With the requirement of rejection of claims in case if not everything works out to be realized.
I agree among the first, even if the condition is a ban on the subsequent publication of information and account lockout as a punishment.
Heh, I remember when that leak came out in April 2019, I was so glad that I even changed my principle of not buying anything in the frontier store and bought paint
Just to support that brave man who organized this leak
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Viajero said:
How is this possible. I have mostly heard over here that Elite has no competition usually as a key element of some critiques. What’s it going to be?
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To be fair, nothing competes with Elite when it comes to Stellar Forge IMO. And Space Engineers, as fun as it is, still has that Lego / Minecraft feel to it. I actually build a Vulture in SE (creative mode just for fun), and it really does look like a child's lego toy rather than the cool ship I have in ED.

I didn't go looking for an alternative to ED, I just picked up a game on Steam sale and got hooked. The game reminds me of ED in many ways, however, and I find myself often thinking, "If Frontier would just implement this!" Or, "That's the damage model David Braben promised us!"
 

IamMe

IamMe
Diagbar said:
There are also players who are deeply indifferent to the fate of both the project and the fate of the company. They bought the game and they play the game until they get tired, as soon as this happens, they leave and forget that FDev and elite have ever existed, you will not see them again.
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Disagree!
If "New Era" turns up to be good, majority of players will return, new players will emerge and playervase will grow....simple as that.
No matter how old game is good update and content can spark things same as new title.
I stopped playing year and a hlaf ago but since New era announcement i follow forum closely and will start playing again depending on new content.
Also i have friend who stopped playing after 50h ingame and will return if New era turns up to be good.
 

Diagbar

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IamMe said:
Disagree!
If "New Era" turns up to be good, majority of players will return, new players will emerge and playervase will grow....simple as that.
No matter how old game is good update and content can spark things same as new title.
I stopped playing year and a hlaf ago but since New era announcement i follow forum closely and will start playing again depending on new content.
Also i have friend who stopped playing after 50h ingame and will return if New era turns up to be good.
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all right, I agree. if the new era is good, many players will return, at least for a while.
And if not? if a new era is not good, or worse is bad and disgusting?
then the elite can lose the rest of the players. one stuart GT may come into the game, and then occasionally (if it plays at all).
in fact, even here, the early announcement can bring certain advantages to fdev themselves, they can collect feedback from communities and find out what they are doing right and what is not. as it was when developing "beyond", maybe remember. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forums/beyond-series-focused-feedback.234/
and what happens if they announce their new era a month or two before the release? and it remains only to shrug and say, it turned out how it happened, "they wanted the best, it turned out as usual", of course we will not redo anything, there is no time.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Diagbar said:
all right, I agree. if the new era is good, many players will return, at least for a while.
And if not? if a new era is not good, or worse is bad and disgusting?
then the elite can lose the rest of the players. one stuart GT may come into the game, and then occasionally (if it plays at all).
in fact, even here, the early announcement can bring certain advantages to fdev themselves, they can collect feedback from communities and find out what they are doing right and what is not. as it was when developing "beyond", maybe remember. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forums/beyond-series-focused-feedback.234/
and what happens if they announce their new era a month or two before the release? and it remains only to shrug and say, it turned out how it happened, "they wanted the best, it turned out as usual", of course we will not redo anything, there is no time.
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So, it can either all go well or Elite can be doomed (tm). Or anything in between. I think I am going to have to agree with this one :) .
 

Andi2310

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Too long no new contents...just bugs...and an ARX system...for their wallet...where is the Panther Clipper to fill this gap ?
I have no fun anymore...I have better things to do...wait for STAR CITIZEN and play something funny...bye !
This is just :poop:
 
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Sysmon

Sysmon
Viajero said:
So, it can either all go well or Elite can be doomed (tm). Or anything in between. I think I am going to have to agree with this one :) .
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Yeah that was a really refreshing post! We are doomed! Or we are not! Or maybe we are somewhere in-between! I need a placard saying "pragmatists for stoic approaches to the unknown!". Or maybe a badge.

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Diagbar

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Viajero said:
So, it can either all go well or Elite can be doomed (tm). Or anything in between. I think I am going to have to agree with this one :) .
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Well, I would like the chances that the “new era” will be good, as high as possible.
this is exactly what I am trying to convey to the community of fdev managers over and over again.
and I’m sure that the community can help fdev make the new era a good one or even better. at least until the release is still a year old, and there’s time to fix some of the points that maybe fdev does not do as the players would like.
Well, it worked, after all, in "beyond" and in the "new era" it will work too. :)
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Diagbar said:
all right, I agree. if the new era is good, many players will return, at least for a while.
And if not? if a new era is not good, or worse is bad and disgusting?
then the elite can lose the rest of the players. one stuart GT may come into the game, and then occasionally (if it plays at all).
in fact, even here, the early announcement can bring certain advantages to fdev themselves, they can collect feedback from communities and find out what they are doing right and what is not. as it was when developing "beyond", maybe remember. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forums/beyond-series-focused-feedback.234/
and what happens if they announce their new era a month or two before the release? and it remains only to shrug and say, it turned out how it happened, "they wanted the best, it turned out as usual", of course we will not redo anything, there is no time.
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Hi! Sorry I rejected your amorous advances, please try to move on :)
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Diagbar said:
Well, I would like the chances that the “new era” will be good, as high as possible.
this is exactly what I am trying to convey to the community of fdev managers over and over again.
and I’m sure that the community can help fdev make the new era a good one or even better. at least until the release is still a year old, and there’s time to fix some of the points that maybe fdev does not do as the players would like.
Well, it worked, after all, in "beyond" and in the "new era" it will work too. :)
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More community letters then?
 
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