You would genuinely have better results deleting Odyssey and starting over. Horizons was in a good place. It had room to grow, but it was a fairly polished gem. This expansion has been steps backwards in every regard. Stability. Visuals. Gameplay and mission running. Xeno combat. Performance. Terrain generation. User interface. Flight model. Its a fundamentally worse game in every regard. I don't know what benefits the "new engine" brings, but I do know that my game is ugly and unplayable now. Delete odyssey and give the people that bought it a DLC pass for life, because you delivered us a broken product.
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Making a decision and clearly communicating it in a timely fashion is definitely the right thing to do. Nice message and I appreciate it. Thanks D.Braben.
Yes I am a paying customer that is frustrated, blah blah blah. Honestly I have purchased lots of crap and not thought twice about it. Shrug and move on. The difference here is I really like ED so I really hope things work out good.
I mostly like exploring anyway. I got my Artemis suit. I got my frame rate functional. Sounds like Horizons is gonna be around as a nice fall-back. Time to head back out into the far reaches of the galaxy and return in six months.
Yes I am a paying customer that is frustrated, blah blah blah. Honestly I have purchased lots of crap and not thought twice about it. Shrug and move on. The difference here is I really like ED so I really hope things work out good.
I mostly like exploring anyway. I got my Artemis suit. I got my frame rate functional. Sounds like Horizons is gonna be around as a nice fall-back. Time to head back out into the far reaches of the galaxy and return in six months.
I’m not sure if anyone at Frontier is monitoring replies, but I would recommend refunding anyone who’s paid for the Odyssey DLC thus far. Clearly it has not met anyone’s expectations, including the dev teams that built it, and this would seem the right thing to do.
For my part as a long-time PC VR player, I was never planning to pay for the DLC as going on foot was never that interesting to me — I am all about flying space ships. I was really looking forward to experiencing the graphical improvements to the Elite world in Horizons though, and it sounds like that might be a longer wait now, which is unfortunate. If Frontier would like another test pilot out there, with a VR setup, let me know. I can’t justify paying for Odyssey, but it definitely seems like you need more people willing to spend time with the update and reporting issues. I want the game to evolve and continue so happy to offer my time and feedback.
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So, you really want to tell me, that you're willing to spend 40 quids for this product in a state that it is right now? For what? To have another reason to flame against Frontier?
P.S.: Those questions are all of rhetoric nature and I don't expect a reasonable answer at all.
Well you don't speak for everyone. And no everyone is asking for a refund. As for meeting expectations, I guess that depends on what your expectations were in the first place.
Count me in as a VR-tester and I don't even need a Odyssee copy because I already have one.I’m not sure if anyone at Frontier is monitoring replies, but I would recommend refunding anyone who’s paid for the Odyssey DLC thus far. Clearly it has not met anyone’s expectations, including the dev teams that built it, and this would seem the right thing to do.
For my part as a long-time PC VR player, I was never planning to pay for the DLC as going on foot was never that interesting to me — I am all about flying space ships. I was really looking forward to experiencing the graphical improvements to the Elite world in Horizons though, and it sounds like that might be a longer wait now, which is unfortunate. If Frontier would like another test pilot out there, with a VR setup, let me know. I can’t justify paying for Odyssey, but it definitely seems like you need more people willing to spend time with the update and reporting issues. I want the game to evolve and continue so happy to offer my time and feedback.
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Oh, wait a minute! I AM one already!
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Just to save time for some people, refund request can be solved here: https://customersupport.frontier.co...20-Can-I-get-a-refund-on-my-digital-purchase-
… despite all these flaws coming with EDO I don’t see reason for look back. It were good years with Horizon, but is time for something different and Odyssey offers different way of playing which I like.
… despite all these flaws coming with EDO I don’t see reason for look back. It were good years with Horizon, but is time for something different and Odyssey offers different way of playing which I like.
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Well that's not correct. Elite (1984) wasn't on consoles. Neither were it's successors up until ED. A lot of the fanbase are playing ED because of their time in the earlier versions.
Elite Dangerous came out on PC first and the majority of the playerbase, I would bet, is PC.
Console isn't an after thought, it's a logical step to port it over to them because it increases the market and therefore sales.
But getting it all sorted on PC first and then porting to consoles makes total sense.
Only for those that bought directly from fdev. If you bought it through steam or epic, you're just out of luck. It detects waiting in the launcher for non-working servers as "playtime", and if you have had more Tha two hours, no refund for you. No matter what kind of unplayable mess it is.
You seem to have missed the entire point of the post. No you won't get an improved version over the PC but I'm sure you'd prefer less bugs etc. than more, right?
I'm a console player (Xbox). If I'm honest, the wait until Autumn 2021 for the console release felt almost unbearably long. Now, hearing the news that the release is postponed even further (I'm guessing a Q2 2022 timeframe), a tremendous let-down. I have very little leisure time lately, and what time I do have is devoted to ED. The Odyssey console release was, for me, a shining light to look forward to in an unusually dismal 18 months.
HOWEVER, I am very pleased that David would take the time to reach out and give share the bad news himself. Indeed, the approach of setting aside the console development to fix the core issues is the right one. Plowing ahead with console dev while the core issues lingered would have only served to compound the issues. This could not have been an easy decision to make and I applaud the whole FD team for making it.
Take your time, get it right, be transparent, and your community will stick by you.
HOWEVER, I am very pleased that David would take the time to reach out and give share the bad news himself. Indeed, the approach of setting aside the console development to fix the core issues is the right one. Plowing ahead with console dev while the core issues lingered would have only served to compound the issues. This could not have been an easy decision to make and I applaud the whole FD team for making it.
Take your time, get it right, be transparent, and your community will stick by you.
why should we believe you this time
So, what you're saying is you want FD to rush the fixes instead of taking their time and doing it properly?
It isn't mutually exclusive though, I'd say it's both.
No, I think he is saying that if they can't fix it in a timely manner they should do the adult thing and issue a callback, refunding everyone. That would be a very good ACTION to prove it's not just words thst they want our trust back.
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They're beta testing on the PC user base because they don't want a Cyberpunk level disaster for console launch - because Sony and Microsoft keep their platforms locked down and would hold them accountable. On PC, Frontier get total freedom for release and update schedule and if the content is unplayable, only the community will do anything about it.
They're stretching back the console launch because optimisation on PC still hasn't reached a satisfactory standard, so they still need to use the PC community as guinea pigs to beta test the full release game they purchased.
So in that framework, we are all second class citizens to Frontier.
Hmm.. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
I'd say I was surprised/disappointed, but this is Frontier Development we are talking about.
A company of over 500+ employees, 10's of millions in yearly revenue, that has the undying support of it's community, but can't fullfil it's promises... while you got much smaller teams (Hello Games), with fewer resources, and less support, doing more for their games than Frontier ever will.
I got a thousand plus hours in Elite and have been playing since the GPP.
Almost every decision Frontier makes leads me to be less and less likely to pick up the controller.
And it's a shame considering how much potential the game has.
Makes me wish they would sell it to a developer who would actually do something with the game.
But hey, at least they got that dinosaur money, AmIRight?
A company of over 500+ employees, 10's of millions in yearly revenue, that has the undying support of it's community, but can't fullfil it's promises... while you got much smaller teams (Hello Games), with fewer resources, and less support, doing more for their games than Frontier ever will.
I got a thousand plus hours in Elite and have been playing since the GPP.
Almost every decision Frontier makes leads me to be less and less likely to pick up the controller.
And it's a shame considering how much potential the game has.
Makes me wish they would sell it to a developer who would actually do something with the game.
But hey, at least they got that dinosaur money, AmIRight?
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It's not mutually exclusive. But the suggestion from Frontier that the only reason they're doing bug fixes to make the game serviceable for PC, is because they're responding to community feedback, is frankly insulting.
1. Because it implies they don't have a clue about the state of their own game. They had to wait for us to tell them what state it's in before they realised it wasn't fit to push out.
2. It's playing off the communities against each other while Frontier keep themselves out of the firing line. It's not their fault things are being held back for console. It's PC feedback meaning they have to shift focus and delay for their console community.
3. The reality is far more likely that they are using PC as beta testing for optimisation to get things to a state where they can launch on console without the bad press of a Cyberpunk level failed launch, because Sony have already demonstrated with CDPR that they will hold publishers to account for pushing out inadequate products.
It's spin on top of misinformation, masked as "we're listening!". They knew things weren't ready during the alpha. They didn't need the player base to tell them that. Just more lies.
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