Only 20,800 free Arx per year

Wwell, I don't see praise topics, thank-you letters and general enjoyment. I don't dig deep byt even major ED youtubers - Obsidian Ant, Yamiks, Down2EarthAstronomy made their videos which all could be summed up with "what the hell happened?"

There are good things with ARX - finally you can get cosmetics without paying real money
There are bad things with ARX - low income, limited further with low cap

But the general reaction is rather "meh" instead of "wow".
This release was always going to get a beating because it was not aimed at existing players. It was for new starts (new start experience - widely praised by streamers) and for fdev (ARX cost savings / monetisation). If nothing had gone wrong the response would have been 'meh', but once fdev messed up (and they did) then the salts were always going to make a noise (which they have). Once fdev sort what they broke (it's getting there) then we'll be able to see how things stand.

It's a shame fdev hid the stuff they have done for existing players - the new ship skins look great, (nearly) free Thargoid Bobblehead, competition to win Thargoid Cobra Wireframe (surprised there weren't ARX runner-up prizes). But all swamped by the broken existing stuff. The perils of being very secretive.

Edit: In fact that Wireframe Bobblehead may be a hint as to the release being rushed out - the September Release Date was announced pretty early (for fdev) - obviously (with hindsight) to hit the 35th Anniversary. It may well be that they ran out of testing time and shipped to hit the deadline.
 
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It got a beating because it broke many and varied parts of the game.
For PS4 players it literally broke THE ENTIRE GAME until they managed to get the most recent patch out.
Whatever they managed to do in implementing the Arx store which has cascaded through every aspect of the game, breaking systems left right and centre needs to be fixed, because who wants to spend money on fancy cosmetics when the game now runs like absolute garbage?
 
This release was always going to get a beating because it was not aimed at existing players. It was for new starts (new start experience - widely praised by streamers) and for fdev (ARX cost savings / monetisation). If nothing had gone wrong the response would have been 'meh', but once fdev messed up (and they did) then the salts were always going to make a noise (which they have). Once fdev sort what they broke (it's getting there) then we'll be able to see how things stand.

It's a shame fdev hid the stuff they have done for existing players - the new ship skins look great, (nearly) free Thargoid Bobblehead, competition to win Thargoid Wireframe (surprised there weren't ARX runner-up prizes). But all swamped by the broken existing stuff. The perils of being very secretive.

Edit: In fact that Wireframe may be a hint as to the release being rushed out - the September Release Date was announced pretty early (for fdev) - obviously (with hindsight) to hit the 35th Anniversary. It may well be that they ran out of testing time and shipped to hit the deadline.

Its not just about what they broke. Noone seems to be mentioning that frontier have literally dogged players who actually bought items off the store (even in some distant past to "support" frontier) by requiring overspending now in many scenarios.

Of course its "optional" im very aware.
 
I wonder what would happen if Fdev took the free arx away and just went back to the way it was before. I mean, the bugs would still be there, but I'm sure everyone would be super psyched about Frontier Points again......

I'm still not sure what some people are on about over this singular issue. I can kinda see why some might think they could have focused more on other improvements rather than arx for this wee little update, but we weren't really promised anything but arx and more New Player Experience until Fleet Carriers.

It seems a bit odd that almost no one was making counter-points to arx for months before the update when we had all that time to voice strong opinions in opposition to it. It would be more valid to try to catch the carton of milk if you know it's going to spill, if ya get what I'm saying.
 

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I quite like the store, the free arx and my general reaction was meh can we get carriers now so I can get back to thread counting.
I have to say, after initially hating the introduction of Arx and the jacked prices for many paints (vs. what they cost as part of packs), I'm slowly coming around to the idea.

I still don't like the general principle of parallel in-game currencies and the concept of fixed bundles, but I ran the numbers in a bit more detail and it can work if you plan ahead a little (by that I mean you need a spreadsheet or else you'll constantly have leftover Arx in your account) and are open to the idea that you don't need all colour variants of the same paintjob set.

It required a perception change on my part, namely that I can now buy single paints, which on their own are more expensive (bad) but I can spread €3.50 I would've had to spend on a single ship now across 2-3 ships, by picking only the colours I'd be most likely to use frequently (good).

The 400 Arx limit is fair I think, you can top up your account with it, or accumulate enough to buy a low grade item (small ship basic paints start at 380, although it depends on how much enjoyment you get out of a matte beige paintjob for a small ship you barely use). I can't see myself holding out for weeks/months though to 'earn' a premium paintjob/item, life's too short so if I see something I like, I'll fork out the cash - for items I really want though, no more, no less - aforementioned leftover Arx, regardless of how little real money value they represent, just doesn't sit well with me so I'll do my best to avoid them.

One thing the introduction of Arx will do to me though is to limit my impulsive purchasing behaviour. I used to eye up an item, then visit the website, add said item to the cart, then come across another one while browsing aimlessly, and think, ah why not (and add another item or several to the cart). So I ended up spending more than I initially planned, because what's an additional €1.25 for a weapon colour etc., right?

I still have a pretty big disdain for the pre-defined packages, merely out of principle as I know what they're for (to extract more money out of me than I want to), but earning Arx alleviates that to some degree (say, if you wanted to buy 4 * 2220 paints = 8880 > 60 Arx short, but you can easily earn that to top up your account).

What I'm essentially saying is, the barrier to buy more Arx is now higher for me, compared to before where adding bits and bobs to my shopping cart after I already made the decision to take the credit card out. Good for me (I think!), maybe not so good for FDev but then others will have different approaches so in the end it balances out for them also.
 
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It seems a bit odd that almost no one was making counter-points to arx for months before the update when we had all that time to voice strong opinions in opposition to it. It would be more valid to try to catch the carton of milk if you know it's going to spill, if ya get what I'm saying.

I disagree. The white knights wouldn't tolerate that discussion and rightfully so.

Everyone was aware it all came down to the pricing and frontier landed on the worse for the player side there. They didn't have to, though in hindsight probably foolish for us to expect.
 
Wwell, I don't see praise topics, thank-you letters and general enjoyment. I don't dig deep byt even major ED youtubers - Obsidian Ant, Yamiks, Down2EarthAstronomy made their videos which all could be summed up with "what the hell happened?"

There are good things with ARX - finally you can get cosmetics without paying real money
There are bad things with ARX - low income, limited further with low cap

But the general reaction is rather "meh" instead of "wow".
Meh is not a backlash.

A single prepaid subscription card each time a new expansion comes out every couple of years, in order to unlock permanent access to the expansion is my SWTOR thing. Effectively just buying the expansion upfront each time. The CC stipend from these months of sub over the years has been enough to buy all the account unlocks to bump my preferred status account to have all the subscriber features I care about. Though them getting rid of the ability to buy and trade operation passes was a d!ck move.

So they offer paid DLC and then give you things you have to buy and the means to pay for them.
That's very sneaky. They're pretending to give you more money but then forcing you to spend it again. Meanwhile the people who haven't subscribed don't get the free money and have to pay out. Give us money or we'll take money off you. You pay them money so they don't take money off you, and then you thank them.

I can imagine that ED will become "stipend from these months of sub over the years has been enough to buy all the account unlocks to bump my preferred status account to have all the subscriber features I care about." If you play ED, then you'll very quickly earn enough Arx to unlock the few skins you want. Maybe a few weeks, maybe a few months.

Companies design their in-game currencies to produce the result they want. SWTOR obviously want subscribers; they don't care if you play the game, that's just free money to them. Frontier want people playing the game.
 
For PS4 players it literally broke THE ENTIRE GAME until they managed to get the most recent patch out.
Whatever they managed to do in implementing the Arx store which has cascaded through every aspect of the game, breaking systems left right and centre needs to be fixed, because who wants to spend money on fancy cosmetics when the game now runs like absolute garbage?
In the interest of a balanced view,on PS4 I went mining pre patch fix without any issues,post patch no issues,now the store works.
 
But the video game wasn't free.

Your next line is non sequitur but your white knighting is duly noted
You weren't forced to buy the video game, either? It's all opt-in. Playing the game, paying for cosmetics, etc.

Sounds like you don't know what "non sequitur" means, but it's not "a related thing". And "white knight" isn't "somebody less inclined to insipid whining".
 
I disagree. The white knights wouldn't tolerate that discussion and rightfully so.

Everyone was aware it all came down to the pricing and frontier landed on the worse for the player side there. They didn't have to, though in hindsight probably foolish for us to expect.
These so-called "white knights" were waiting to see what was actually involved because, you know, informed opinions.

Look at the thick wave of Fleet Carrier threads. People were pre-whining about them before they knew anything. Complaining needs no facts.

Like, for example, you say the pricing is "worse" and you're sprinkling in very vague complaints, but how about quantifying that? How is it worse? If I want a paint job now, I can buy it individually, instead of a full pack.

Some people on these forums will complain about anything. This thread is a fantastic example.
 
I don't complain particularly - it is a game after all and not important - but when engineering had issues I had to work around what was possible and re-log several times. I almost felt like bleating...

As for Arx earned in game, I've already got my grubby little hands on 800 on my main account and 200-odd on alt, they are actually free, no if's, but's or whatever, and in the long term will save me money, I'm certainly not going to complain about that!
 
If you're complaining about a lack of facts from Frontier, that's a requirement.
People heard the fact that Fleet Carriers exist and for a solid week they were complaining about it.

Better to say very little and worry less about having to meet those exact promises - and they will be seen as promises - and lose any flexibility going forward.

I had been gone for years when the Fleet Carrier wave crashed over the forums, and I was able to pretty easily identify the members who were worth reading when they had a "we'll have to see what happens" approach. Conversely, people who made up scenarios and then got mad about these hypotheticals, not so much.
 
Muck that! ..... I'd rather fill my ship with fertiliser for a living...:)
Nothing wrong with that - I hauled biowaste between a hi-tec and agri station, and food on the return trip for a couple of months, bought me a couple of new ships that way :)
(me being one who has a tendency to avoid youtube etc. and only found the forum by accident...)
 
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