Only one light source at a time?

[S3B4ST13N]

Development has been halved compared to 2015.

Source?

Now I would like to see facts no more words or promises: those last usually comes from politics and we all know how things go...

Facts? Like when the (now former) Execute Producer tells you that they are working on it?
Or what kind of facts? You want to see source code? You want Frontier to invite you over for tea and biscuits and smother your toes in jelly and have puppies lick 'em clean as they call you "your worship" and take you by the hand and lead you through all the work they've been doing on their colourisation algorithms?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

It certainly was not good to go.

2012: "We already have a large team who are very experienced at delivering complicated projects, and the key high-risk components (like networking) are already in place." -- David Braben's kickstarter spiel

2017: ED multiplayer co-op still wrecked by rubbish networking. Having sacked the programmers who wrote the netcode, Frontier has given no indication it is ever going to be fixed, despite that it has virtually killed the main feature of the latest expansion, multi-crew. Every time it triggers another crisis, they come up with another excuse e.g. when it hit the recent PS4 launch, Frontier tried to shove the blame on to BT routers!

Back in 2012 Braben must have known that Frontier had no twitch multiplayer experience or technology. He must also have suspected that if he'd told the truth, he'd have been less likely to succeed in getting KS backers to hand over the money he desperately needed.

He also made no mention in the KS spiel that ED would use the Cobra engine. I am sure that had he done so, quite a few people would have pointed out that Cobra had never been used for any successful large-world game, and perhaps he should be looking instead at a proven industry-standard game engine.

There is so little truth in any of this it is just a joke. Last time I checked Dav hasn't been sacked yet. Just stop lying man. The Cobra Engine was already a proven game engine.

Sandros was part of the team that gave us Time Splitters 2, a superb FPS game.Looks like twitch experience to me.

Everything you say can be blown out or.the water. You keep making yourself look like a fool. Whether it is financials or game engine lighting, it is obvious that you are clueless.

I have no issues with winging up with my friends. Never have. And they didn't blame the BT box. The BT box was an issue for PS4, but they got it fixes pretty quickly.

Everything you say is full of it mate. But keep on, I do like a laugh in the morning. I nearly spat out my coffee with laughter after reading your rubbish. A child could do better then you.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I disagree too.

Development has been halved compared to 2015.

Now I would like to see facts no more words or promises: those last usually comes from politics and we all know how things go...

Where is your source that the Dev team has been halved. Not according to Ed who says it's bigger then ever or the people that went to visit. I trust them over what you say, sorry.

How do expect them to show you facts? Invite you round for a cuppa. Sorry not gonna happen. We will see it when it's ready. How can you disagree. The only evidence we have are the Dev posts which tell us that they are. So saying the evidence points to then not working on it is a complete lie.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

There is so little truth in any of this it is just a joke. Last time I checked Dav hasn't been sacked yet. Just stop lying man. The Cobra Engine was already a proven game engine.

Sandros was part of the team that gave us Time Splitters 2, a superb FPS game.Looks like twitch experience to me.

Everything you say can be blown out or.the water. You keep making yourself look like a fool. Whether it is financials or game engine lighting, it is obvious that you are clueless.

I have no issues with winging up with my friends. Never have. And they didn't blame the BT box. The BT box was an issue for PS4, but they got it fixes pretty quickly.

Everything you say is full of it mate. But keep on, I do like a laugh in the morning. I nearly spat out my coffee with laughter after reading your rubbish. A child could do better then you.

This is why I put him on ignore.
Nothing he says is supported by evidence; it's all supposition to support his obvious agenda.
I doubt he even knows what "netcode*" is.



* Gods I hate that word. Netcode. Urgh. A blanket term that means nothing in the development sphere.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

This is why I put him on ignore.
Nothing he says is supported by evidence; it's all supposition to support his obvious agenda.
I doubt he even knows what "netcode*" is.



* Gods I hate that word. Netcode. Urgh. A blanket term that means nothing in the development sphere.

I keep him off my ignore list as I like blowing his crackpot theories out of the water. It actually makes me laugh reading it.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

I keep him off my ignore list as I like blowing his crackpot theories out of the water. It actually makes me laugh reading it.

I had to do it because I was getting all riled up.
I find willful ignorance highly offensive.

"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."
- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Eymerich]

Where is your source that the Dev team has been halved. Not according to Ed who says it's bigger then ever or the people that went to visit. I trust them over what you say, sorry.

How do expect them to show you facts? Invite you round for a cuppa. Sorry not gonna happen. We will see it when it's ready. How can you disagree. The only evidence we have are the Dev posts which tell us that they are. So saying the evidence points to then not working on it is a complete lie.

Everyone is free to believe in what they want i guess

Anyway : it s been stated multiple times by Fd that release on horizon were rushed and feature were been removed ( this is especially true for multicrew ).

The fact they have said : we have done this (mc) - in a very shallow way i dare to say - and if you like we ll improve it is something very un professionals in my opinion

The fact they have a new project now and the update of horizon were rushed while they were working on porting ed on console ( and probably they already were working on their new project )

There is also indirect evidence to proof a fact . This is a rules you can apply on a Court so...

About their words: problem is i don t believe them anymore especially when they promised atmospheric landing and space legs ( see newsletter) and last year has been put a very big if they will do that

Or when has been stated that Braben got the majority of the shares which from the documentation have seen it seems no more true ( but i am not an analyst financial so i accept i could be wrong here )

Again : believe what you want

Only accept that people can have a different point of view from your based on different evidences.

Being a LEP owner : have i given enough proof of trust to Fd?

The other user is ended directory on my ignore list together with Hicks and sluteboy or wheneVer is his name

Edit

Posting on phone so i have rewritten part of it

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Everyone is free to believe in what they want i guess

Anyway : it s been stated multiple times by Fd that release on horizon were rushed and feature were been removed ( this is especially true for multicrew ).

The fact they have said : we have done this (mc) - in a very shallow way i dare to say - and if you like we ll improve it is something very un professionals in my opinion

The fact they have a new project now and the update of horizon were rushed while they were working on porting ed on console ( and probably they already were working on their new project )

There is also indirect evidence to proof a fact . This is a rules you can apply on a Court so...

About their words: problem is i don t believe them anymore especially when they promised atmospheric landing and space legs ( see newsletter) and last year has been put a very big if they will do that

Or when has been stated that Braben got the majority of the shares which from the documentation have seen it seems no more true ( but i am not an analyst financial so i accept i could be wrong here )

Again : believe what you want

Only accept that people can have a different point of view from your based on different evidences.

Being a LEP owner : have i given enough proof of trust to Fd?

The other user is ended directory on my ignore list together with Hicks and sluteboy or wheneVer is his name

Edit

Posting on phone so i have rewritten part of it

The problem I see, is that there are no other evidences. Nobody has said anything was rushed. Nobody has said horizons was rushed. That is not evidence or fact, just your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to, but it is not fact.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Multi crew roles were removed because they couldn't make them work that they are interesting.

Mind blown, I know. Turns out game design is complex.

 

[Shadowdancer]

Multi crew roles were removed because they couldn't make them work that they are interesting.

To be fair, there's also some odds-and-ends in that particular corner that were just down to complications with the current who-owns-what and general limitations in the networking model.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Source?


Facts? Like when the (now former) Execute Producer tells you that they are working on it?
Or what kind of facts? You want to see source code? You want Frontier to invite you over for tea and biscuits and smother your toes in jelly and have puppies lick 'em clean as they call you "your worship" and take you by the hand and lead you through all the work they've been doing on their colourisation algorithms?

Well I did get a cup of tea... in a chipped mug.... thanks Zac...

But, iirc the thread was meant to be about light sources?

Lets get back on topic shall we?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Everyone is free to believe in what they want i guess

Anyway : it s been stated multiple times by Fd that release on horizon were rushed and feature were been removed ( this is especially true for multicrew ).

Stated by whom. I have not seen any statement of that nature. Again devoid of any facts.

The fact they have said : we have done this (mc) - in a very shallow way i dare to say - and if you like we ll improve it is something very un professionals in my opinion

Again, there is no fact there. They never said it was shallow. That is your opinion. It is an opinion I share as well when it comes to multicrew though.

The fact they have a new project now and the update of horizon were rushed while they were working on porting ed on console ( and probably they already were working on their new project )

The update of horizons was not rushed. So what that they have a new product. It's been stated many time, they have different teams. More products mean more longevity of the company. The port of the game was done by the same team that did the XBone port. Most of the in-game assetts will be the same. So game designers will have nothing to do with the port of the game.

There is also indirect evidence to proof a fact . This is a rules you can apply on a Court so...

There is no indirect or direct evidence apart from the stuff you make up in your own mind.

About their words: problem is i don t believe them anymore especially when they promised atmospheric landing and space legs ( see newsletter) and last year has been put a very big if they will do that

Atmospheric Planets are coming, it's earthlike planets that where an if as that is a huge amount of work to do it well and not have something like NMS (I have no issues with NMS, but it is pure fantasy and FDev want stuff as scientifically accurate as possible) As to space legs, yes I expect that will come in the future as well, but again it is a massive undertaking which will take a lot of time

Or when has been stated that Braben got the majority of the shares which from the documentation have seen it seems no more true ( but i am not an analyst financial so i accept i could be wrong here )

DB has 49% of the shares, or something like that. That does not mean he is not in control of the company as the CEO or whatever title he has. As stated for him to be desposed as the current CEO every other shareholder would have to gang up on him to dispose him. The odds of that happening are slim to none, depending on who owns the other shares and if they have voting rights.

Again : believe what you want

Only accept that people can have a different point of view from your based on different evidences.

Being a LEP owner : have i given enough proof of trust to Fd?

The other user is ended directory on my ignore list together with Hicks and sluteboy or wheneVer is his name

Edit

Posting on phone so i have rewritten part of it

The problem I see, is that there are no other evidences to base your arguments on other then something you have made up in your own mind.

Anyway enough of this foolishness and lets get back on topic please.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

To be fair, there's also some odds-and-ends in that particular corner that were just down to complications with the current who-owns-what and general limitations in the networking model.

Regarding who owns what if you mean SRVs....

My pitch is this - if players are hologram, I really don't see them driving around SRVs, that's for in-game reasoning. As for networking - *speculation alert* - currently there's no clear code separation for avatars and ships as objects in network code. That might be due of requirements to rewrite that protocol to support that notion. That's why we didn't see SRVs - sans in-game reasoning - driven around by crew mates.

I suspect FD current focus however won't be on crew at the moment. But we don't know their plans beyond core updates after 2.4 launch.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Also coming back to topic....

As for light sources, ED is currently bound to DirectX10. FD plans to move to DirectX11 solely. We don't know when and how, but that's most likely gonna happen with next expansion.

Guess what DirectX11 introduces....

multi-threaded rendering. While it might directly impact ED at the moment, in future it will.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Also coming back to topic....

As for light sources, ED is currently bound to DirectX10. FD plans to move to DirectX11 solely. We don't know when and how, but that's most likely gonna happen with next expansion.

Guess what DirectX11 introduces....

multi-threaded rendering. While it might directly impact ED at the moment, in future it will.

Yep. DX10 is probably a bit of a bottleneck. They are getting rid of 32bit as of 2.4, and likely get rid of DX10 at the next expansion as you said. I wonder if they intend to bundle horizons with the main game when the next expansion hits being the main reason why DX10 will be gone (I am not talking about the core gameplay updates as the next expansion).

 

[Jack Schitt]

Wow. I never expected this of all threads to turn out quite so popcorntastic.

You want to see source code? You want Frontier to invite you over for tea and biscuits and smother your toes in jelly and have puppies lick 'em clean as they call you "your worship" and take you by the hand and lead you through all the work they've been doing on their colourisation algorithms?

To be fair, if that had been a Kickstarter tier I might have had to give it serious consideration.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Yep. DX10 is probably a bit of a bottleneck. They are getting rid of 32bit as of 2.4, and likely get rid of DX10 at the next expansion as you said. I wonder if they intend to bundle horizons with the main game when the next expansion hits being the main reason why DX10 will be gone (I am not talking about the core gameplay updates as the next expansion).

I really believe they will. Only question is where Mac version will stand....because Apple doesn't support anything beyond 4.1 and for compute shaders AND multithreaded rendering on OpenGL they need 4.3. Metal 2 might do, but that's another rewrite.

It would really sad to see Mac support go as solution to move beyond DX10/OpenGL 4.3.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I really believe they will. Only question is where Mac version will stand....because Apple doesn't support anything beyond 4.1 and for compute shaders AND multithreaded rendering on OpenGL they need 4.3. Metal 2 might do, but that's another rewrite.

It would really sad to see Mac support go as solution to move beyond DX10/OpenGL 4.3.

The mac version may well be at a stand still after the next expansion. I do feel for the mac users, but apple can make some really odd decisions at times. What is the issue with supporting OpenGL 4.3. Surely it can't be that much work for them to do. Why make Metal when Vulkan would have been just as good if not better.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

I really believe they will. Only question is where Mac version will stand....because Apple doesn't support anything beyond 4.1 and for compute shaders AND multithreaded rendering on OpenGL they need 4.3. Metal 2 might do, but that's another rewrite.

It would really sad to see Mac support go as solution to move beyond DX10/OpenGL 4.3.

Thing is, it's now beyond obvious that Apple aren't going to improve their OpenGL without a very good reason to do so. FDev have to move to Metal (I refuse to believe it's not up to it) or halt development of the Mac platform. It's not funny any more. I appreciate that it's a lot of work, but they've already done so recently for the PS4 (I doubt Sony are using DirectX) so it's completely doable. The only remaining question is whether it's financially a good decision, and only FDev can answer that.

But Mac users have been left twisting in the wind for too long now. It's time FDev stated their intentions.

 

[jojon]

The way I recall it, the beigening coincided with image textures supplanting the previous noise bumpmaps for planet surfaces (a popular change, until the monochromacy got noticed).

There is of course no reason such textures couldn't simply be tinted, through overall or vertex diffuse colouring, but I'd speculate this could be subject to a larger planet generation overhaul in the future, with more localised geology and new texture sets and blending to appropriately reflect variety.