Modes Open Mode Balancing Proposal... Open PvE

Oh boy, this discussion... again. Can someone remind me why the Hotel California tread was locked again?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Braben mention that the game was primarily developed as a PvE game with PvP elements, but still fundamentally PvE centric? I believe he did, though as for when that statement was made (before or after realese), I do not know.

I'm fine with the modes the way they are and will continue to play in both Open and Private Group (And Solo when deployed overseas) and while I welcome the idea of an Open PvE mode, I'm not holding my breath because FDev have, time and time again, shown no interest in changing anything; such as the group options that Robert pointed out. FDev has stated that they're well aware that the majority of their player base doesn't engage in PvP; but again, won't do anything about it.

Also as an aside, to those that say PvP doesn't exist in Mobius, that's not 100% true. PvP does exist though under certain circumstances and nowhere near on the scale of PvP in Open; I think CZs are one instance where PvP is allowed.


CZ's are no longer a PVP zone in Mobius.
 
Here is something useful for you;

Your opinion does not matter. Neither does mine, or anyone else.
The only opinion that matters is Frontiers, which is lead by David Braben OBE.

His game, his rules.

https://youtu.be/gEtHu3AXw2Q?t=2648




*Factual* is the wording you were looking for when talking about Elites past.
As all prior incarnations of the game were single player only, they were most definitely PvE only games.

Nothing "mythological" about that information - you can download old copies of Elite and see for yourself.




If you want to be "inspired", get off the computer and go use your own imagination.
You'll get more inspiration from the real world than a fake one you do nothing but complain about.

So snarky. I love it.

CZ's are no longer a PVP zone in Mobius.

I did say I think. What about CG's; I think that was another circumstance? It's not outside the realm of possibility that Mobius outlawed all PvP, which if that's the case then my above point is moot and I was basing it off of outdated information. I don't keep up with Mobius despite playing in it from time to time.

Though as of late I've taken a bit of hiatus from playing Elite altogether and been playing other games, EVE being one of those. Starting to drift back to Elite. Despite my disagreements with some aspects of the game, I always find myself coming back to it.
 
So snarky. I love it.



I did say I think. What about CG's; I think that was another circumstance? It's not outside the realm of possibility that Mobius outlawed all PvP, which if that's the case then my above point is moot and I was basing it off of outdated information. I don't keep up with Mobius despite playing in it from time to time.

Though as of late I've taken a bit of hiatus from playing Elite altogether and been playing other games, EVE being one of those. Starting to drift back to Elite. Despite my disagreements with some aspects of the game, I always find myself coming back to it.

The Policy was updated because of people abusing the exceptions for PvP within the group.
Certain "griefer" types were joining for that sole purpose.

So all PvP is now banned while playing within the group.
https://elitepve.com/page/policy

However, if you and another group member want to take a fight to another group or open, you're welcome to do so.
But for no reason should you ever fire upon (or otherwise try to kill) another CMDR while playing in one of the Mobius Groups.
As you will be kicked out after a review of your actions by the leadership.
 
You folks got useful things to say or just meaningless tripe?

Anyway, here's one of the things that just slays be about the PvE crowd - y'all want to retreat to some mythological past about whatever Elite was supposed to be and you appeal to your gods until you're blue in the face.

Thing I love about Open and PvP players? They consistently see and execute upon the amazing possibilities this game provides as it exists right now. Beyond that? They dream about a creative kind of future Elite: Dangerous could be.

I want to be inspired - not whatever it is y'all think you're doing.

Since we're talking opinions, it is my opinion that your generalisations are useless, meaningless tripe. I hope you were trolling there, because if you're serious, you're in bad shape big G.
 
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The Policy was updated because of people abusing the exceptions for PvP within the group.
Certain "griefer" types were joining for that sole purpose.

So all PvP is now banned while playing within the group.
https://elitepve.com/page/policy

However, if you and another group member want to take a fight to another group or open, you're welcome to do so.
But for no reason should you ever fire upon (or otherwise try to kill) another CMDR while playing in one of the Mobius Groups.
As you will be kicked out after a review of your actions by the leadership.

Ah, well then I apologize as my information is outdated.
 
So snarky. I love it.



I did say I think. What about CG's; I think that was another circumstance? It's not outside the realm of possibility that Mobius outlawed all PvP, which if that's the case then my above point is moot and I was basing it off of outdated information. I don't keep up with Mobius despite playing in it from time to time.

Though as of late I've taken a bit of hiatus from playing Elite altogether and been playing other games, EVE being one of those. Starting to drift back to Elite. Despite my disagreements with some aspects of the game, I always find myself coming back to it.

There is no PvP in Mobius. Not even if someone invades and starts attacking you. It's in the bylines of your membership form you filled out when applying, right after you granted him your first born in return for keeping you safe. It says clearly: "if some nasty PvPer starts to club your head in, throw yourself on the ground, curl into as tight a little ball as you can make yourself and pray for it to be over quickly."
;)
 
There is no PvP in Mobius. Not even if someone invades and starts attacking you. It's in the bylines of your membership form you filled out when applying, right after you granted him your first born in return for keeping you safe. It says clearly: "if some nasty PvPer starts to club your head in, throw yourself on the ground, curl into as tight a little ball as you can make yourself and pray for it to be over quickly."
;)
Mobius inspires so much hate in you guys, it's lovely.

"It's not hate Ziggy, It's contempt"

Sure it is, I can't tell the difference :)

Edit: and when they influence your pmf, cry on the forums it's not fair and they shouldn't be allowed to play. It's beautiful. It's the circle of strife.
 
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ALGOMATIC

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Mobius inspires so much hate in you guys, it's lovely.

"It's not hate Ziggy, It's contempt"

Sure it is, I can't tell the difference :)

Edit: and when they influence your pmf, cry on the forums it's not fair and they shouldn't be allowed to play. It's beautiful. It's the circle of strife.

What PF? I asked repeatedly to help solo undermine a PF, noone complied.
 
Based on the enormous word salad I just collected sounds like I’m on to something there.

Thank you for your participation, PvErs. As you were!
 
Guys i think we had to assume on thing..... right now elite isnt dangerous thanks to the solo and pg options. Because you can affect other people without risk...... everything else its just poetry.


So i propose to change the name of the game to elite carebear, elite no risk or so
 
Guys i think we had to assume on thing..... right now elite isnt dangerous thanks to the solo and pg options. Because you can affect other people without risk...... everything else its just poetry.

So i propose to change the name of the game to elite carebear, elite no risk or so

Nice try-

BGS is core to the entire game, regardless of mode. For those who play in PG/Solo they have NO choice but to affect the BGS because any action they take will have an affect.

Simply hauling cargo from point A to point B with the intent to make credits can affect it. Again- not the player's choice, so intent cannot be implied.

As to affecting the BGS everyone has the same options- same with the modes. The perceived "imbalance" has been proven again and again to be a fallacy at best.

As to the actual topic at hand- we were discussing proposal options for Open PvE, not your perceptions on "risk assessment" in ED- so let's try and keep the topic on the rails, thanks!
 

ALGOMATIC

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Guys i think we had to assume on thing..... right now elite isnt dangerous thanks to the solo and pg options. Because you can affect other people without risk...... everything else its just poetry.


So i propose to change the name of the game to elite carebear, elite no risk or so

Correct. Dangerous is just a rank remember?

Elite: Carebears - Fly alone or block other users from violating your safe spot. Hunt other commanders and be accused at being a sexual predator, win wars (in solo) and reshape the galaxy (in solo).
 
Correct. Dangerous is just a rank remember?

Elite: Carebears - Fly alone or block other users from violating your safe spot. Hunt other commanders and be accused at being a sexual predator, win wars (in solo) and reshape the galaxy (in solo).

Please stop trying to derail this thread with your perceived imbalance assertions regarding the BGS. This thread is a proposal for Open PvE, and has naught to do with PvP playstyles.

If you wish to measure your epeen- you've already the ability to do so in Open play as it is currently. This proposal wouldn't change any of that- because those wishing to engage in PvP already do so in Open.
 
You must not know many PvErs or BGS players. Ego is just as much a part of that playstyle as anything PvP.

And I’m grasping the concept just fine. I think it’s trash. Or is not agreeing with your concept the reason you say I’m not grasping it?
 
You must not know many PvErs or BGS players. Ego is just as much a part of that playstyle as anything PvP.

And I’m grasping the concept just fine. I think it’s trash. Or is not agreeing with your concept the reason you say I’m not grasping it?

Apparently you disagree- Do you have anything else of value to contribute to the conversation, or are you intent on continuing to bait people with forum fu?
 
How’s this?

Your characterization of the PvP Community is grossly out of touch and undermines your entire position right from the get go. I would recommend flying and playing with some of us to dismantle your biases. Feel free to add me in game! Name is same as here.

Second, what will stop people from abusing this mechanic to attack PMFs just like they do with solo and private group play? I know of conflicts happening right now where Commanders are using Private Groups to circumvent opposition present in Open Play.

Would you like more constructive feedback, or is this enough to start?
 
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