Modes Open Mode Balancing Proposal... Open PvE

Matt and I seen many talk about it on Elite related websites and have talked to people who have said so. In fact, we know a few people that have been persuaded into Open when they learned it wasn’t anything to be scared of.

Really. We’re not kidding. Sure, not everyone avoids Open because they’re afraid but a not insignificant amount do.
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
The idea is more than just unappealing. It’s appallingly bad - so bad I don’t feel like discussing another with you.

Right.

Just as proposals to remove advertised features from players in two of the three game modes (to which emotive comparisons can also be made) are "appallingly bad".
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
It might have less to do with the color of letters and more to do with the fact that a mod so clearly invested in one side of a debate gives the appearance of partisanship in the way that the forums are administered.

Even if the mod hat is off and no rules are being broken, it's difficult to not see what is being seen.

Moderators, like other forum users, are allowed to post and hold opinions. I was asked to be a Mod long after expressing my opinions on this topic on the forums - and made sure that I could continue to do so before accepting the offer. If it were to come down to a choice of participating in the forums or Moderating them then I'd choose the former without hesitation.
 
It might have less to do with the color of letters and more to do with the fact that a mod so clearly invested in one side of a debate gives the appearance of partisanship in the way that the forums are administered.

Even if the mod hat is off and no rules are being broken, it's difficult to not see what is being seen.

Being a mod does not mean you're not allowed to partake in discussions.
Also, it does not mean they have to like every part of the game.

Some Mods are Pro PvP, some are Pro Exploration.
Heck, one Mod made an out of game trade tool for people to share trading information to help people buy/sell at the best prices - and some folks consider out of game tools cheating.
(yet not seen any complaints about a mod making and supporting out of game tools)

And if folks really want to complain, how about when when an orange name made it clear they don't PvP ?
I'd say orange names stand out way more than blue - so having a Dev not interested in PvP'ing is a real smack in the teeth isn't it?
Or when some Frontier employees in a live stream burst out laughing when trying to talk about PvP and couldn't treat the topic of PvP in ED seriously?
I mean, Frontier staff finding the topic of PvP too funny to talk about - and where is the outrage Frontier staff think PvP is a joke?

There are much more important things for people to get their knickers in a twist over than Robert not supporting PvP.

I personally think it is just some people ran out of excuses to counter his arguments and moved to personal attacks instead of admitting defeat.
Which shows just how flawed the arguments for open only content were to start with when people have to single out one mod and attack him directly.
 
Being a mod does not mean you're not allowed to partake in discussions.
Also, it does not mean they have to like every part of the game.

Some Mods are Pro PvP, some are Pro Exploration.
Heck, one Mod made an out of game trade tool for people to share trading information to help people buy/sell at the best prices - and some folks consider out of game tools cheating.
(yet not seen any complaints about a mod making and supporting out of game tools)

And if folks really want to complain, how about when when an orange name made it clear they don't PvP ?
I'd say orange names stand out way more than blue - so having a Dev not interested in PvP'ing is a real smack in the teeth isn't it?
Or when some Frontier employees in a live stream burst out laughing when trying to talk about PvP and couldn't treat the topic of PvP in ED seriously?
I mean, Frontier staff finding the topic of PvP too funny to talk about - and where is the outrage Frontier staff think PvP is a joke?

There are much more important things for people to get their knickers in a twist over than Robert not supporting PvP.

I personally think it is just some people ran out of excuses to counter his arguments and moved to personal attacks instead of admitting defeat.
Which shows just how flawed the arguments for open only content were to start with when people have to single out one mod and attack him directly.

Not really ya'll bandwagon this stuff pretty hard. Im looking at posts from you guys way before I bought the game. Its always the same 10ish people.

Its like ya'll work here or somethin'
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Not really ya'll bandwagon this stuff pretty hard. Im looking at posts from you guys way before I bought the game. Its always the same 10ish people.

Its like ya'll work here or somethin'

Is it surprising that forum users with an interest in the topic and its potential effect on the game in general participate in discussions on the topic?
 
Not really ya'll bandwagon this stuff pretty hard. Im looking at posts from you guys way before I bought the game. Its always the same 10ish people.

Its like ya'll work here or somethin'

lol, bandwagon - funny how those who post hating on the mode system are connected to the same 3 player groups. Who all specialise in "griefing" / "ganking".

And if you have truly read up before buying the game as you just claimed - you wouldn't have bought it, as it never was and never will be a PvP focused game.
 
Being a mod does not mean you're not allowed to partake in discussions.
Also, it does not mean they have to like every part of the game.

Some Mods are Pro PvP, some are Pro Exploration.
Heck, one Mod made an out of game trade tool for people to share trading information to help people buy/sell at the best prices - and some folks consider out of game tools cheating.
(yet not seen any complaints about a mod making and supporting out of game tools)

And if folks really want to complain, how about when when an orange name made it clear they don't PvP ?
I'd say orange names stand out way more than blue - so having a Dev not interested in PvP'ing is a real smack in the teeth isn't it?
Or when some Frontier employees in a live stream burst out laughing when trying to talk about PvP and couldn't treat the topic of PvP in ED seriously?
I mean, Frontier staff finding the topic of PvP too funny to talk about - and where is the outrage Frontier staff think PvP is a joke?

There are much more important things for people to get their knickers in a twist over than Robert not supporting PvP.

I personally think it is just some people ran out of excuses to counter his arguments and moved to personal attacks instead of admitting defeat.
Which shows just how flawed the arguments for open only content were to start with when people have to single out one mod and attack him directly.

Out of curiosity, who would the mod(s) be in "the some mods like PvP" part of that post?
 
I know Agony Aunt was active in the PvP Hub.

So, Agony Aunt is the PvP advocate on the mod team? Uh, that guy menu logs when under fire from PvPers and goes around recommending the use of block. As far as I know he's dipped his toe in a couple times and hated it. Plus, he's not a mod anymore. If he's the PvP advocate, that just reinforces the opinion of deeply entreched bias.
 
So, Agony Aunt is the PvP advocate on the mod team? Uh, that guy menu logs when under fire from PvPers and goes around recommending the use of block. As far as I know he's dipped his toe in a couple times and hated it. Plus, he's not a mod anymore. If he's the PvP advocate, that just reinforces the opinion of deeply entreched bias.
You asked which mod liked PvP. I answered. You didn't ask: who is the mod advocating PvP. No mod is advocating PvP. No mod is advocating PvE. That would be silly.

"Deeply entrenched" You must have been bitten by a radioactive shakespear a while ago, because you do tend to be overdramatic lately.
 
Out of curiosity, who would the mod(s) be in "the some mods like PvP" part of that post?

You'll have to ask them, it's not for me to say who likes and does what within the mod team.

So, Agony Aunt is the PvP advocate on the mod team? Uh, that guy menu logs when under fire from PvPers and goes around recommending the use of block. As far as I know he's dipped his toe in a couple times and hated it. Plus, he's not a mod anymore. If he's the PvP advocate, that just reinforces the opinion of deeply entreched bias.

AA isn't a mod as far as I'm aware, and menu logging is accepted by Frontier as a legitimate way to log out.
Apart from that, do you have any proof of AA doing that? Or just a baseless (mud slinging) claim ?
 
You asked which mod liked PvP. I answered. You didn't ask: who is the mod advocating PvP. No mod is advocating PvP. No mod is advocating PvE. That would be silly.

"Deeply entrenched" You must have been bitten by a radioactive shakespear a while ago, because you do tend to be overdramatic lately.
I see that comment that "some mods do" and I always wonder specifically who they are. It can't be Agony, because he hates PvP.
 
Claiming Solo and PG don't have "risk" is horse crap and you know it. Some PG's are PVP based.. and even in Solo you don't just skate around scott free and do what you want. But you and others want to keep spreading that falsehood because you want to screw with PG and Solo to make things Open Only then scream and throw temper tantrums when we tell you No.




Yes we have been through this before, yet somehow you still think that we are "trying to do something to Open". Those of us who play in other modes DO leave Open alone, the problem is that those in Open don't want to leave the other modes alone. So some have tried to come up with compromises, but certain people always denounce them because they want things Open only... And by doing that they are screwing the other modes ... and you wonder why we are vocal?



Why does it not surprise me that it is you that took an idea by Robert and twisted it all to hell then claimed what you twisted it into is what Robert meant.



Really? Maybe I will have to learn to drive a front loader. You claim only one side whines... blatantly false, there also have been a few whiners about people blowing up someone's ship here and there. You ignore that Frontier's actions and the "elimination" of PVP from the game was due to the ACTIONS of certain PVPers. You write this whole thing trying to paint PVErs as aggressors and PVPers as victims... when it is a small subset of PVPers who are the aggressors and PVPers and PVErs are the victims... that is what all these threads are about. What the SOGS were about... PVPers demanding change because others being able to play the game and affect the universe and they couldn't kill them irked them off. Tough cookies.

We are perfectly capable of playing the game, you just are incapable and whine claiming you are the victim because you can't dominate every other commander in the game.

And you are right there are two types of players in the game. Those who PLAY the game, and those who whine and demand Frontier throw their whole structure away and make it so "they" can play and everyone else can't.... because they told others to "get gud" and they instead "got gone".



Bloody hell you just can't deal with things can you.... unfair advantage... what was that about people whining... good example here.

News flash for all of you ... Mods can have opinions as well and are fully allowed to express them. If you don't like it then you can get gud or go play in another thread.


ahahahahaha horse crap...... mouse what its the risk of solo mode ?.......... the only risk you can take in solo that you got interdicted by a elite npc and you be in a shieldless ship, aand with undersized modules.. thats the only risk..... and easily avoided.... because its so easy to win the interdiction minigame against a npc.

so i will stick with the Elite isnt Dangerous......and you can be in your happy world where a pve ship doesnt take any risk at all.

because let me remind you even a pve battle spec or multifunction ship can evade a interdiction or high wake a pvp ship....
 
ahahahahaha horse crap...... ....


Glad you pointed out the content of your post for us.

Risk is subjective. What you find easy, someone else may find hard.
The game is full of people from all ages and abilities. Remember, the game in the UK is sold for age 7 and up.
So there is plenty of risk in Solo for some players and there is no risk in open for others.
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
You'll have to ask them, it's not for me to say who likes and does what within the mod team.



AA isn't a mod as far as I'm aware, and menu logging is accepted by Frontier as a legitimate way to log out.
Apart from that, do you have any proof of AA doing that? Or just a baseless (mud slinging) claim ?

There is a video in the loggers sub of him logging on other loggers (12.5th trash)
 
AA isn't a mod as far as I'm aware, and menu logging is accepted by Frontier as a legitimate way to log out.
When a player abuses Powerplay pledges solely to avoid Crime and Punishment, we're not supposed to comment on it. The rules allow it, shut up.
When a player uses the menu log like it's intended. It's a travesty.

Bless 'em :)
 
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