Modes Open mode balancing proposal

[ALGOMATIC]

"Hidden" agendas. Which is why the fallacy of the perceived imbalance of the BGS from the modes exists.

People use this particular fallacy as a means to get rid of PG's/Solo and provide more fish for the Open barrel, plain and simple.

Whats wrong with that I need to increase my pk number.

 

[Jockey79]

Whats wrong with that I need to increase my pk number.

Get people to play Arena with you then.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I don't think I've said otherwise, but an indicator displaying who is attacking you would be nice.

It's the ability to attack with complete anonymity that I dislike.

You have not, however not all those who prefer direct PvP would seem to agree.

Who is attacking is of no great importance if they'll never be instanced with you - knowing what they're doing might be more useful.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Now this is funny. Knowing the rules and playing strictly by them is an exploit? I think not.

Valid and legal gameplay does not become an exploit just because you don't like the rules.

An exploit doesn't mean it breaks the rules.

Exploits are unintended use of features, glitches, bugs. They can be cheating but they more often are unexpected ways in which players use the rules to their advantage in ways not foreseen and intended by the developer.

I got nothing more authoritative than Wiki, sorry.

In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.[2]

As you noticed, I am on the side that doesn't consider all exploits cheating. I never said it was cheating.

In fact, I encourage players to abuse this feature. And broadcast it to all who wishes to hear.

I do enjoy the irony of the message you players are sending Frontier. "Look what happens if you try to do something to encourage PvP in Powerplay". I hope Frontier takes note. These players will moan endlessly how Frontier doesn't implement features for PvP, and when they do, the same players abuse that feature.

And I'm sure you'll find a way to blame it all on PvEers, so everyone wins

 

[Goose4291]

"Hidden" agendas. Which is why the fallacy of the perceived imbalance of the BGS from the modes exists.

People use this particular fallacy as a means to get rid of PG's/Solo and provide more fish for the Open barrel, plain and simple.

Correction: You've decided its a hidden agenda because you dont agree with it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Pledging to a power leaves players vulnerable in certain situations. If a player does not bother to gain any understanding of how and when those situations can happen, that player has no room to complain when a knowledgeable enemy player lures them into a trap.

Again, this is intended behavior.

When that knowledgeable player lures the enemy player into a trap, because he wants to prevent that power from gaining influence without outside influence of the cops, that's intended behaviour.

When that knowledgeable player lures the enemy player into a trap, because he just wants to shoot players and has pledged just to avoid consequences and the enemy player isn't an enemy player, just a target, that's unintended behaviour.

Clear enough?

The old station blind spot exploit is probably a good place to start.

Actually reading my posts seems like a good place to start for you

No, I am clearly not. I am saying that pledging for a power for the sole purpose of avoiding crime and punishment is an exploit.

The exclusion from C&P is meant to facilitate PvP among powerplay players. Not as a loophole to avoid consequences.

 

[Mouse]

*Looks at all the marks on the wall and sighs*... some people... I just hope they have enough ice for your face after slamming it into the wall so much.

BGS.... is not en exploit nor is it godmodding.
PVErs don't have a hidden agenda, if they did I am miffed that no one invited me to the secret meetings.
Three modes are here to stay.

It still amazes me also that people will decry PVErs then do PVE things before Decrying PVErs again. So it wasn't worth decrying while YOU were doing it eh..

 

[Warm Considering]

*Looks at all the marks on the wall and sighs*... some people... I just hope they have enough ice for your face after slamming it into the wall so much.

BGS.... is not en exploit nor is it godmodding.
PVErs don't have a hidden agenda, if they did I am miffed that no one invited me to the secret meetings.
Three modes are here to stay.

It still amazes me also that people will decry PVErs then do PVE things before Decrying PVErs again. So it wasn't worth decrying while YOU were doing it eh..

Oh! We hold our weekly PvE Black Hat Agenda meetings at the TGI Friday's in Rutland, VT. It's great! We have karaoke and fondu. The second weekly meeting of every month is Trivia Night. So far no one's beaten Ziggy.

 

[Mouse]

Oh! We hold our weekly PvE Black Hat Agenda meetings at the TGI Friday's in Rutland, VT. It's great! We have karaoke and fondu. The second weekly meeting of every month is Trivia Night. So far no one's beaten Ziggy.

[haha][big grin] The sarcasm is strong in this one ^^ ^,^.

 

[Warm Considering]

[haha][big grin] The sarcasm is strong in this one ^^ ^,^.

Sarcasm? I'm serious, we even keep meeting minutes. The last meeting was dominated by 45 minutes of discussion on the topic of: "Why we hate PvP, and the PvPers who do it!" I'm afraid that dominates most of our meetings.

But it's super secret though! Want a T-Shirt??

 

[Mouse]

Sarcasm? I'm serious, we even keep meeting minutes. The last meeting was dominated by 45 minutes of discussion on the topic of: "Why we hate PvP, and the PvPers who do it!" I'm afraid that dominates most of our meetings.

But it's super secret though! Want a T-Shirt??

Would never turn down a free T-shirt ^,^.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Wow, Ziggy. You seem to have a beef with power play.

The slogan isn't "Play Ziggy's Way or not at all".

https://www.elitedangerous.com/en/story/galactic-superpowers

Or do the words "Infinite Freedom" and "Create your story" have a different meaning in the Ziggy universe?

Do the words "reading comprehension" mean anything in yours?

Could just have said: "Oh I see. Yeah you got a point there".

90s, are you there? Could you post that video you posted 17 times (I checked) where Sandro explains the intent of that powerplay mechanism?

 

[Jockey79]

Do the words "reading comprehension" mean anything in yours?

Could just have said: "Oh I see. Yeah you got a point there".

90s, are you there? Could you post that video you posted 17 times (I checked) where Sandro explains the intent of that powerplay mechanism?

Will my video do?

[video=youtube_share;nvMYy0ry9mA]https://youtu.be/nvMYy0ry9mA[/video]

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Close ... I think it's the part after that. I'll look for it.

https://youtu.be/0545WHDzT7w?t=2114

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Guys, you're making me a little sad.

What is it about the links you posted that you cannot understand?

Are you arguing that the people getting lured into traps because they're only farming modules are playing the right way? .

No my dearest

If you really want to know what I am arguing, read a post. I have not mentioned people getting lured in traps, you have. I have rephrased my point 3 times. And summarizing how you interpreted my posts:
- I have claimed they are breaking rules
- I have claimed the victim of the exploit should complain
- I have claimed people should play the way I say they should
and now
- players who farm modules are playing the right way.


So after 3 attempts to get my message across and failing spectacularly in doing so, I give up.

Yes dear Zaphod, players who act that way are breaking rules, the victims should report them, and everyone should play the way I tell them to. And I'm wrong in saying all those things, which makes you right on all accounts.

Well done you!

I'll be in my trailer having a hissy fit. Can someone bring me a Perrier real quick? That'd be swell.

edit: By the way

I've got to give him credit here.

It is becoming a fun system.

I've found myself playing as a pure criminal far less since I started participating in powerplay.

Good to hear, the mechanic which is meant for those who play Powerplay makes playing Powerplay more fun.

I have liked the mechanic as soon as I heard it. It's a good way to promote PvP during Powerplay.

 

[Roybe]

Guys, you're making me a little sad.

What is it about the links you posted that you cannot understand?

Are you arguing that the people getting lured into traps because they're only farming modules are playing the right way?

Because, bless his heart, Sandro says pretty much the opposite of that in the clip you both so generously provided.

What part of "consensual PvP" do you not understand?

If you have pledge to a power, you are consenting to PvP against that power's enemies.

If you don't like that, you can always be antisocial and stay in solo.

Nobody really cares.

And if you participated in powerplay, you would realize that much of what Sandro was talking about has already been implemented.

I've got to give him credit here.

It is becoming a fun system.

I've found myself playing as a pure criminal far less since I started participating in powerplay.

Some better rewards for PvP kills in PP would be great though.

Payouts based on combat rank would be awesome.

The sad part of this is that PVP in PowerPlay is such a weak way to play PP compared to the other ways to play it. It's almost like PVP doesn't really matter....

 

[Sylveria]

If Sandro's intent is to create "consensual PvP" utilizing the PowerPlay system, does this mean Open is going to be non-PvP by default moving forward?

Unless you're participating in PP- you'd likely not be a target for other players?

You see, this could be perceived both ways- it could also simply underline what everyone has been saying all along- Open is and always has been NON-consensual PvP by default.

In other words, logging into Open doesn't mean you "consent to PvP", you just simply don't have an option.

So then question then becomes, If it ain't "broke" why "fix" it?

If they've recognized a need to "fix" it... apparently it's "broken", right?

 

[Roybe]

If Sandro's intent is to create "consensual PvP" utilizing the PowerPlay system, does this mean Open is going to be non-PvP by default moving forward?

Unless you're participating in PP- you'd likely not be a target for other players?

You see, this could be perceived both ways- it could also simply underline what everyone has been saying all along- Open is and always has been NON-consensual PvP by default.

In other words, logging into Open doesn't mean you "consent to PvP", you just simply don't have an option.

So then question then becomes, If it ain't "broke" why "fix" it?

If they've recognized a need to "fix" it... apparently it's "broken", right?

Well they don't think instancing is broken! <snicker>

Hi,

We are not proposing changing instancing so that more players can join an instance at this time.

Adam

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Deflect all you want, Ziggy.

I love you ... so much [haha]

You argued that players jumping between powers to get specific types of PvP are exploiters.

I was? Ok. If you say so. Was that before or after I argued they were breaking rules, and all that other stuff I have been arguing?

You were wrong.

I know. Admitted it in the edit in the post you quoted.

Where's my Perrier?

 

[Sylveria]

Some of us actually like the game we researched and purchased. You know, the one with an open universe where organic PvP is the norm, and PvP flags are not a part of the game.

That doesn't answer the question now, does it? The question- is that if the way things work now (non-consensual PvP) wasn't a "problem", then why would they have the intention of introducing a consensual PvP system to begin with? Why bother?

Apparently they've recognized that the FFA PvP in Open isn't working.