Modes Open mode balancing proposal

[Jockey79]

like... what?... So I had said that you pledging to pp make ppl invade your solo indirect griefing?... Or your "block everyone" Open, which is not any different?

This thread was in "Suggestions and feature requests". Hence, it was a proposal to change the current state of things.
And you are providing plentiful proof on... details of current state of things. Great job.

You claimed that pledging makes someone "fair game" - which it does not.
If someone wants to use Power Play as a way to get PvP, then they can. But that is optional.

If I were to pledge right now to any power, that does not make me "fair game" for you or any other players.
Because I can stop you and every other player from trying to shoot me.

So your claim, that you said you had "proof" is factually wrong.

 

[Mouse]

Did I say that it does exist at the moment? I said it can become existant only if you become cut off from PP and PFs BGS.



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You made a mistype there... it can come into existence when you cut it off from PVP... PP and BGS are part of PVE as well.

 

[Jockey79]

The last time I used the O word in this thread I was told, and I quote "screw you buddy," so not such a baseless claim after all.

And?

That didn't prove or disprove anything in relation to your post did it.
Someone felt like making a comment at you, didn't change the fact you may have been or not have been right.
And didn't counter any "proof" you may have posted.

So I'm still right in my instance, and you may have been in yours - I wasn't paying attention to you and Ziggy, you two seem to go on for days, so I stay out of it

 

[EUS]

O word?
Open? Orange? Oregon? Octagon? Orphan? Oreally?

 

[Jockey79]

O word?
Open? Orange? Oregon? Octagon? Orphan? Oreally?

proof.

"p word" = swear word in England, meaning to urinate.

So "o" = next logical letter to use as proof has 2 of them

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

You claimed that pledging makes someone "fair game" - which it does not.
If someone wants to use Power Play as a way to get PvP, then they can. But that is optional.

If I were to pledge right now to any power, that does not make me "fair game" for you or any other players.
Because I can stop you and every other player from trying to shoot me.

So your claim, that you said you had "proof" is factually wrong.

Well, if you are not making your life easier by disabling people shooting at you whatsoever, then PP pledge provides reasons to attack you for larger amount of people. And I had given enough proof for a thing which is that obvious.

You made a mistype there... it can come into existence when you cut it off from PVP... PP and BGS are part of PVE as well.

PP should cease to be full-on PvE tasks they are now. Or nerfed by a 75% margin when you are at PvE mode.
And PF should get mechanisms to defend themselves first. Current state of things where you can bother a group of people without risking anything is simply a legalised griefing and should be fixed.

Also there should be some filters for instancing with PvE Openers, as it can be immersion breaking.

 

[jasonbarron]

You claimed that pledging makes someone "fair game" - which it does not.
If someone wants to use Power Play as a way to get PvP, then they can. But that is optional.

If I were to pledge right now to any power, that does not make me "fair game" for you or any other players.
Because I can stop you and every other player from trying to shoot me.

So your claim, that you said you had "proof" is factually wrong.

See, when I used the phrase "you guys have elevated your obfuscation to almost superhuman levels" it was posts like this one I was referring to. I'm in awe, buddy. Truly. In awe.

Just because you can fiddle your router or skulk in solo/group doesn't make you correct. That's just a collosal failing in fdev's ridiculous mode/block spamming mechanics.

 

[Jockey79]

....then PP pledge provides reasons to attack you for larger amount of people.

I agree, Power Play can add a reason to engage in PvP.
That is part of the design and reasoning for Power Play.

And I had given enough proof for a thing which is that obvious.

You provided your subjective opinion that pledging made people "fair game", you did not provide "proof" of it - as there is no "proof" of it.
And there is no "proof" of it, because anyone can pledge and never be "fair game" to anyone - that is the basis of 90s whole argument on the forums.


So I refer you back to your own Art of War post;

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

https://suntzusaid.com/

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

I agree, Power Play can add a reason to engage in PvP.
That is part of the design and reasoning for Power Play.



You provided your subjective opinion that pledging made people "fair game", you did not provide "proof" of it - as there is no "proof" of it.
And there is no "proof" of it, because anyone can pledge and never be "fair game" to anyone - that is the basis of 90s whole argument on the forums.


So I refer you back to your own Art of War post;

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

https://suntzusaid.com/

Yes. You succesfully described the current state of things. What about it?
I can say and had said that it is cracked up. And should be changed.

 

[Jockey79]

See, when I used the phrase "you guys have elevated your obfuscation to almost superhuman levels" it was posts like this one I was referring to. I'm in awe, buddy. Truly. In awe.

Just because you can fiddle your router or skulk in solo/group doesn't make you correct. That's just a collosal failing in fdev's ridiculous mode/block spamming mechanics.

How can someone be "fair game" if they are not even available as a target?
So my point is factually correct. Which is all it needs to be

As for your opinion of the mode system, you're welcome to your opinion but I respectfully disagree.
In my opinion, as someone who has encountered this mode system in other games - I'm okay with it.
I'd have preferred the old school PvE / PvP server option in an ideal world, but this will do as an alternative.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The last time I used the O word in this thread I was told, and I quote "screw you buddy," so not such a baseless claim after all.

If you're interested, and I know you are, my ire came from 2 things. First I tried 3 times to make my point as clear as possible, because it was misunderstood/misinterpreted. Which is the exact opposite of obfuscation. And second, when it became clear we wouldn't be tunneling towards each other, instead of parting shots, me and Zaphod had a chuckle over it. Which is the best way to end an argument. And it was done and dusted .... until you accused me again, and we were back to square one, which miffed me off.

You don't want me miffed off. I get relentlessly factual when I get miffed off. Added to that, I never realised miffed was a word I knew until I wrote it just now. I thought I invented it on the spot, but spell checker went, yeah, 's ok.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

How can someone be "fair game" if they are not even available as a target?
So my point is factually correct. Which is all it needs to be

As for your opinion of the mode system, you're welcome to your opinion but I respectfully disagree.
In my opinion, as someone who has encountered this mode system in other games - I'm okay with it.
I'd have preferred the old school PvE / PvP server option in an ideal world, but this will do as an alternative.

Well if you are flying in Open and are pledged, you are a higher profile target. Inbefore more bull, ability to block everyone you see have nothing to do with it, as I am talking about honest people.
This mixture can exist, but only after further balancing.

 

[Jockey79]

Well if you are flying in Open and is pledged, you are a higher profile target.

If you choose to be a "higher profile target" then yes you can be.

But that is optional. Which isn't what you were claiming.

Inbefore more bull, ability to block everyone you see have nothing to do with it, as I am talking about honest people.
This mixture can exist, but only after further balancing.

"bull" is what you are shovelling to get those un-shielded Cutters / T9s forced into open for you to shoot at.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

If you choose to be a "higher profile target" then yes you can be.

But that is optional. Which isn't what you were claiming.



"bull" is what you are shovelling to get those un-shielded Cutters / T9s forced into open for you to shoot at.

Ability to godmode yourself has nothing to do with what I am claming about being higher profile target. It means that it is not working as intended because of godmodding.
And those unshielded cutters and t9s should get shields and escorts and attack my interests in Open.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Ability to godmode yourself has nothing to do with what I am claming.
And those unshielded cutters and t9s should get shields and escorts and attack my interests in Open.

There is no "should" - each player is free to choose how *they* want to play the game.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

There is no "should" - each player is free to choose how *they* want to play the game.

Or my higher risk-, cost- and skill-intensive should earn me way more - no difference.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Or my higher risk-, cost- and skill-intensive should earn me way more - no difference.

Frontier chose not to directly incentivise that entirely optional play-style choice.

There was a brief time when player bounties were able to be collected that ran to huge values - however that got nerfed when players started colluding to profit from them.

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

Frontier chose not to directly incentivise that entirely optional play-style choice.

There was a brief time when player bounties were able to be collected that ran to huge values - however that got nerfed when players started colluding to profit from them.

That nerfed it cause of Robigo bounties, I guess.

And this choise made this playstyle choise unused. Which again - was not intentional.

 

[Robert Maynard]

That nerfed it cause of Robigo bounties, I guess.

And this choise made this playstyle choise unused. Which again - was not intentional.

Making PvP optional was entirely intentional.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Making PvP optional was entirely intentional.

It was intentional for them to have its sole use as a salt mining tool. Gotcha.