Open-Only in PP2.0?

SergMx

SergMx
Got my antigank ship yesterday and decided to look at gankers in CG.

Yeah. .... That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Several young men united in a wing stupidly destroyed those people who flew one by one and mostly newcomers. And they chose not to be a wing or they might get hit in the head.
They didn't offer to give up the cargo, they just intercepted and killed them.
That's PVP in all its glory.

I have a suspicion that these pilots do not fly well and will not be able to kill even Medusa in 4, but as usual they will say - we are not interested in PvE. That's a crooked excuse. I wonder if they realize that with this game people will stop flying in open mode ?

I flew there a little bit trolled these gankers, became quite bored and went back to Titan.
 

SergMx

SergMx
Rubbernuke said:
Well thats what Powerplay is for, since it gives context and a reason to attack.
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I guess I'm too complicated to write, so I'll make it easy for you.
When you join the Power you will fight gankers who will be in the same Power.
Do you understand?
Or do you think the game will make it impossible to fire on friend ? :)
 
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vanFace

V
SergMx said:
I wonder if they realize that with this game people will stop flying in open mode ?
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Gankers were with the game almost from the beginning, and it never stopped people flying in open mode. Why should it stop them now? Maybe the gankers realized this fact and therefore continue doing their work. There is always salt to mine, it seems.
 

SergMx

SergMx
vanFace said:
Gankers were with the game almost from the beginning, and it never stopped people flying in open mode. Why should it stop them now? Maybe the gankers realized this fact and therefore continue doing their work. There is always salt to mine, it seems.
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That's not exactly what I was writing about. Before people did not really pay attention to PP, but here will appear PP2 and for example with a mode as here in the topic - only open.
Imagine a wing of gankers who will join in the same Power as you and will prevent you from playing, just for fun.

I wonder in CZ you will be attacked not only by red dots but also by green dots :)
 

vanFace

V
SergMx said:
Imagine a wing of gankers who will join in the same Power as you and will prevent you from playing, just for fun.
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Call them saboteurs and all of a sudden they are legit PP participants. Of course the losing party will call them gankers. You see, if a game pitches players against each others, such things are possible. It would be for the rule-makers to create a better game environment stopping too "creative" moves. In the past, though, they decided not to do that in the open sandbox. I can't see them doing that now, so "gankers" will most probably be a very real danger in PP2.0. And they will most probably not cause anybody to stop flying in open mode. And least of all will they realize anything about the consequences of their actions.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
SergMx said:
I guess I'm too complicated to write, so I'll make it easy for you.
When you join the Power you will fight gankers who will be in the same Power.
Do you understand?
Or do you think the game will make it impossible to fire on friend ? :)
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You are penalised for attacking your own- but you can still do as you please.

However it makes no sense considering how groups will quickly out those who false flag and for the ganker they get no gain- if I'm joining the dots right for V2 it only counts for rivals too.

But please keep on with the edge of edge of edge cases because I find it terribly amusing.
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
SergMx said:
Got my antigank ship yesterday and decided to look at gankers in CG.

Yeah. .... That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Several young men united in a wing stupidly destroyed those people who flew one by one and mostly newcomers. And they chose not to be a wing or they might get hit in the head.
They didn't offer to give up the cargo, they just intercepted and killed them.
That's PVP in all its glory.

I have a suspicion that these pilots do not fly well and will not be able to kill even Medusa in 4, but as usual they will say - we are not interested in PvE. That's a crooked excuse. I wonder if they realize that with this game people will stop flying in open mode ?

I flew there a little bit trolled these gankers, became quite bored and went back to Titan.
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Not convinced there's any overlap between CG campers and players who might be interested in PP.
This has resulted in participating in open becoming the exception, or use of blocklists in CGs which ultimately leads to campers sitting around with only each other for company wondering what the CG is about anyway and proclaiming that they killed the game lol!
I don't see players who can't be bothered to find out what a CG is for, will contribute anything to a power.
 

Asharyn

Asharyn
vanFace said:
Call them saboteurs and all of a sudden they are legit PP participants.
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That's the problem I have with everyone calling every PvP interdictor a "ganker". They might be interdicting you for reasons other than just to kill you. They might have noticed you're pledged to an enemy power. Or you might be helping with a federal focused CG when they're pledged to an Imperial power. I think people get player killed and just like to whine about it.
 

SergMx

SergMx
Asharyn said:
That's the problem I have with everyone calling every PvP interdictor a "ganker". They might be interdicting you for reasons other than just to kill you. They might have noticed you're pledged to an enemy power. Or you might be helping with a federal focused CG when they're pledged to an Imperial power. I think people get player killed and just like to whine about it.
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This is a misrepresentation of the facts, not an excuse since :
1. As far as I know this CG is just neutral, and under the terms of the CG you have to trade and defend.
NPC pirates play their role take away the cargo, THIS did not do this, they just prevented others from playing, they did not even have the goal of just killing, the goal was one - to prevent others from playing the game, and no one will convince me that this is not true.
2. What other saboteurs ? It should be stipulated in the framework of the game saboteurs should go reward for sabotage. Anything that is not within the scope of the game is seen as a specially designed lie, not an excuse, and in fact should receive even greater disapproval.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Rubbernuke said:
You are penalised for attacking your own- but you can still do as you please.

However it makes no sense considering how groups will quickly out those who false flag and for the ganker they get no gain- if I'm joining the dots right for V2 it only counts for rivals too.

But please keep on with the edge of edge of edge cases because I find it terribly amusing.
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Hold on. They can out them on discord or on forums or whatever, but they can't kick them from the power. Sticks and stones and all that.
 

SergMx

SergMx
vanFace said:
You see, if a game pitches players against each others, such things are possible.
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My translator must have mistranslated the words again.
There's no pitting us against each other! Some just play the game and others prevent them from immersing themselves in the world of the game.

If they had at least taken the cargo scanner and after the interception would ask to give the goods could be called pirates (although there was no pirate side in the CG), but they did not even consider to do it. They just had fun spoiling the games of others.
 

Jack Wilmslow

Jack Wilmslow
I will always die on this hill. Power Play HAS to be Open Only. The game mode breaks down due to it being split between the game modes. There is no way to make any meanable effect on anything when a PG can just camp in private. It can completely negate all your gains you made in the week wtih no way to be able to even try to make any difference.

But if not contribution made in Private/Solo should be significantly decreased.

It should be very much PvP focused. This is a POV from someone who doesn't like PvP, but has spent many hours doing PP with the FLC years back.

It will be a profound change, but by far the best thing FDev can do for the game.

But this is just PP we are talking about though.

I do think they should get rid of SOLO mode though for 4.0 client.
 

Asharyn

Asharyn
Jack Wilmslow said:
I do think they should get rid of SOLO mode though for 4.0 client.
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I think if we're all playing in the same shared galaxy, there should be no solo. Maybe there should be a seperate galaxy for solo/PG players. But I'll focus on PowerPlay because it's the most disrupted by ghost players in solo/private groups.
 
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