This is a game marketed as PvP, its like making a PVE server for Fortnite as a comparison.
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Open-Only in PP2.0?
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Robert Maynard
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Indeed - which is why the "new (permit locked to Open) bubble" proposal might be of interest - as it would completely sidestep the question of which Galaxy was to be considered canon.
Instead of locking content behind permits we could have high security that is actually HIGH in actual bubble
Robert Maynard
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For those disinterested in it, PvP is not "content". The idea is to offer a solution that adds to the game for players who want PvP without taking anything away from or otherwise penalising other players.
It is, however as I have explained in ad nausem now, for quite some time, Powerplay is a PvP system, which is what the point of this thread has been, despite some folks desire to slide off into repeating the same copy paste response we have for the usual broad Modal discussion talking points, which see individual posters regarding open as being either a hellscape where griefers will literally kick your door down IRL and murder your first born in front of you the moment you dare to click open, or a desolate barren wasteland depending on what their trying to argue at that very moment.
It could work, the only issue I can see at first reading is that a lot of the player groups (in my time) liked to 'fight' over the big lore named systems, and have the allusion of impacting on the gameworld in a larger scale, which a 'locked bubble' would not really provide.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Understandable, however if the demands of the pro-PvP players are on an "all or nothing" basis then the response from those disinterested in PvP is likely to be "nothing it is then!".
I doubt it would take very long for systems inside the new bubble to become known as systems to fight over. A new bubble would not need to be entirely empty on implementation, of course, it could have Superpower spheres of influence and Power strongholds to build out from - the minimalist "it's empty, have at it" approach was simply to fully embrace the new Colonisation feature.
What about a new bubble for PvE instead ? Old bubble already has Open implemented, competitive PP/BGS in place and so on.
Power play a PvP system ?
Do you get additional points for blowing up commanders ?
Do you get points taken off in open because you don't meet effective opposition ?
PP like BGS is filling up buckets , those who fill up more wins .
PP and BGS could be NPC interactions only for many players who don't really care and noone would notice the difference some magical mythical hand wavium algorithm.
In your opinion it's PvP in my opinion it's not .
That's the crux one players opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.
Fdev have always said it can be played in all modes , yes we can go back to the good old days when it was harder and find someone who said something that aligns with our thoughts and ideals . They did say at the begining console was getting EDO ... Just saying
Remember Mobius was a thing in 2014 so it's not like we have slowly infiltrated Fdev with the evil and totally unnecessary silly PvE nonsense.
This subject has been done to death with the same objections from both sides since elite started and by the looks of it, it will carry on .
Do you get additional points for blowing up commanders ?
Do you get points taken off in open because you don't meet effective opposition ?
PP like BGS is filling up buckets , those who fill up more wins .
PP and BGS could be NPC interactions only for many players who don't really care and noone would notice the difference some magical mythical hand wavium algorithm.
In your opinion it's PvP in my opinion it's not .
That's the crux one players opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.
Fdev have always said it can be played in all modes , yes we can go back to the good old days when it was harder and find someone who said something that aligns with our thoughts and ideals . They did say at the begining console was getting EDO ... Just saying
Remember Mobius was a thing in 2014 so it's not like we have slowly infiltrated Fdev with the evil and totally unnecessary silly PvE nonsense.
This subject has been done to death with the same objections from both sides since elite started and by the looks of it, it will carry on .
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
The existing bubble is shared by players in all game modes, not just players who enjoy PvP. The old bubble does not have a permit in place locking it to players in Open only.
I suppose a second new bubble could be added - for players to colonise with PvP disabled inside it.
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Where the definition of PvP is at the heart of the claim, noting that it is most often used to describe in-the-same instance combative interactions between players.
While Powerplay offers pledged players so inclined the option to engage in direct synchronous PvP in the same instance there is no requirement for any pledged player to do so as Powerplay also offers indirect asynchronous competition between players.
It really isn't, its Player vs Player yes insofar as we are competing against each other, that's very different from direct confrontation murder boat vs trader.
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Disagree. There is appetite, but they were appealing to the wrong crowd. And while its not a bad mode in principle, they needed to do a lot more with it to encourage people to play. The lack of popularity, without bots, also contributed to the lack of interest in it. It could have been a good mode for both PvP (when enough players) and PvE (when not enough).
Well, we can argue about which servers would die, although since the usual accusation is that most people are hiding in PG/Solo it would indicate either those accusations are unfounded (and therefore no need for open only) or PvE is incredibly popular.
Yeah, infrastructure is an issue with FD, but if we are assuming the same size playerbase, just split, it shouldn't make that much difference.
Still, you can only play one account at a time, unless you're some 4 armed alien thingy.
Then why did the organised 'lets meet up in a system and pew pew' fail?
The reason is confusing real Pvpers with most of the folks i used to encounter just roleplaying pirates as an excuse for griefing.
If you really want to do PvP its not that hard to organise, just good luck finding enough folks interested in a fair fight, its been tried before.
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We earn merits destroying PP opponents and in a wider view, slowing how fast an enemy fills his bucket make sense and appears to be designed as a core mechanic
My point is exactly how many folks do you actually come across to blow up?
Doing other stuff will advance your cause way faster.
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