Goonswarm isn't just Eve. They play a wide variety of games, including ED. Eve is just what made them famous.
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Goonswarm isn't just Eve. They play a wide variety of games, including ED. Eve is just what made them famous.
Well, if they get their kicks by mass killing people who disagree with them, they'll get bored of ED quite fast.
Clearly you weren't paying attention when I said the majority of them are PvE players.
A PvP group composed of a majority of PvE players ? Now I'm confused :S
Propaganda is a huge thing in Eve. It's an entirely different world. If you hear about things that don't make sense about Eve, just keep walking.
Edit: I'll elaborate. The spin on that particular piece of propaganda goes something like this:
"Arrr! We're a bunch of rough and tough PvP players who don't give two snots about dying because our ships are provided by the corporation! Throw off your World of Warcraft Carebear ways and join us for the bloody mayhem! We're real men with real internet spaceships and we're not afraid to use'em!"
Reality:
"When you join up you'll spend the majority of your time mining, ratting, crafting, and running logistics. Check your local outpost for scheduled PvP roams and hope the FC shows up on time, spend most of that time getting organized and your boots strapped on, then fly around uneventfully for a couple hours with everyone running away from your blob of ships. You'll get in a good fight about once a month but don't worry about it, all you have to do is target the ship that your commander tells you to target and press F1."
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Imo this is exactly the thing elite needs. It's a predominantly pve group with the enough pvp player to protect them and the bluster to fool everyone into thinking it's pvp. It's how the Mobius group would be if the game was open only. Basically if you took CODE and had them run mobius.
I've never played Eve so idk how they operated. Just reading the description of them they sound pretty cool.
Wow! I suppose it might be fun if you like the idea of being a bit player - or you were high level pulling the strings...
So again it is just convenience. And this is not a worthy reason for me.
Now, I see problems here. Look at these scenarios:
1. Enemy player undermining your system. What are you going to do to prevent that?
2. Enemy player in a combat zone. How can you stop him/her from killing your NPC-teammates?
3. You are bounty hunting and see a wanted player with ~300k cr bounty. How can you claim the bounty?
4. You see a player attacking police vessels and yo uwant to help the police. What can you do?
5. Another player is trolled (ramming, etc.) and you wnat to help. How can you help?
And more scenarios like that. Can the PvE supporters answer me these questions?
Additionally, balance between this mode and the others need to be made. With less risks there must be a tardeoff, what are the ideas of the PvE supporters for a tardeoff? (So this new PvE mode, if it will ever be implemented, will not land in the mode discussion thread MK X)
Now I think an "easy" mode would be better. PvP enabled but no rebuy costs and stuff like that. You can still be pirated and lose your cargo but if you get (maybe "needlessy") destroyed, you don't lose your cargo.
Just an example. What about that?
See, I talk a little too much and the TL;DR version would be: deal with it. I am sorry but this is all I have to say to the whole topic, not only to this thread. The importance of the "problem" is too hyped and the actual meaning of it is unimportant.
That's like if I would complain about NPC interdictions in the forums. It is the opposite. PvP players getting annoyed by NPCs. Open PvP only mode plz.
I won't repeat what has already been written, and acknowledge Mad Mike's point that in some instances your points might need to be addressed, but that isn't to say the requirement for a mainstream PvE group isn't there, nor that technological solutions to the issues could not be found. I'm surprised that convenience isn't a worthy reason for you, do I take it then that you eschew many of the 20th and 21st centuries lifestyle conveniences?
As to 'dealing with it', well, that can go both ways. There's no need for trade offs due to extra 'risk' or 'difficulty' then, play the game the way you enjoy and just deal with it. It doesn't matter that people are against you in PP but playing in Solo, just deal with it. You want Open PvP only mode? Deal with it.
If it was forced open only, I'd not have bothered.
Seen that a few times on the Mobius forums and Facebook page as well.
It's a shame FD don't release numbers - then it would give a clear indication of the current state of the game.
Majinvash
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Now every Mobius player will die denying this but for every Mobius player that wouldn't have bought the game ( Although you still would have done because you wouldn't have known what Open would be like ) many more would have played the game in Open and just learnt how to avoid the dreaded PVP gank squads that apparently roam the popular areas..
Now of course you shouldn't have to because of your moral code and ethics, but if you didn't have a choice you would have had to.
And as has been said a thousand times over. If you don't want to meet players in this game, you can avoid them 99% of the time.
And if you want some interaction, then you and your friends could fly 300LYs out from Sol and play the game in your own solar system.
Pretty much like the Mercs of Mikun did.
But unfortunately bad design gave the same universe, mode switching and safe mode which bred this movement of entitlement.
You are going to say i'm entitled. But i am playing the game available to me, in the main mode and my only gripe is reduced player interaction because you can hide in closed groups and solo.
I am playing the game as it is. YOU want it changed to suit YOUR play style.
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Robert Maynard
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There is no main mode - the developers are on record as considering all three game modes equal and valid.
Majinvash
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Due to bad game design.
Which is what I said in that post.
The Option and the statement that each mode is valid has allowed for this fracture.
Probably why the Open vs Solo thread is on its third repeat and will continue.
If it had never happened, people would have just got on with it or not played.
I expect most would have just got on with it.
The Mobius 10 will come on and say they would have quit or never played... but that means absolutely nothing.
This game would have likely had just as many people buy it based on the premise of flying around in a space MMO.
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Duh, would the developers ever come on record saying anything different? It would be like a parent saying they have a favorite kid. They are supposed to love all their children equally, even if they aren't equal.
Robert Maynard
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So they are lying now?
Thats true, like what happened with the cancelation of offline mode.
Once again, misrepresenting the information and not reading what people have written.
A lot of the Mobius people bought the game, because they researched it first, and right from the conception, it had free mode switching so we can play with whom we want (check the last link in my sig). So when people say they would not have bought the game, they would not have bought the game. This is not advanced Latin - it's basic English.
Also, we are not asking for anything to be removed, unlike you - who has quite a few posts demanding the game be changed to suit you and your play style. And every time you get told no and shown a Dev quote to support that no - you insult people and throw a fit. Like now, you're back on the "because you can hide" insults.
No one is asking for anything to be removed - you can have your pew pew modes, but we want the Devs to follow up on that mantra of player choice and no right way to play, with a clearly visible PvE - so those who do not know about the Mobius group have another way to play the game when they don't want to play with you.
Your reaction just reinforces the view you are the one who is "scared" - you're scared your victims will wise up and leave you high and dry, no one to shoot at - but I'm sure your guild can shoot each other for fun and take it in turns being gang ganked by each other.
No, but it's a good point to remember that people were only eligible for the Triple Elite prize if they played in Open Play exclusively for the entire period that it took them to earn the rankings.
A standard was set when that decision was made.
Robert Maynard
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That you hold the opinion that the game design is bad does not make it so. Frontier have delivered the core game features that they set out to at the beginning of the Kickstarter.
The Solo vs Open vs Groups thread exists because some players cannot accept that Frontier are going to stick to their vision for the game.
Do you only ever see in black or white?
What I said was, regardless of their views on which mode is best, they are only going to say they are equal. Like a parent when asked which is their favorite kid.
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That's the stance they fall back on, seen it in so many games.
Tantrum fails to get what they want, so the players lie, the Devs lie, God lies, water is no longer wet and the sun is cold.
The one where refunds were issued and people walked away, because they said they'd not have bought the game, so they got their money and left.... kinda supports the whole view of folks saying they'd have not bought the game really.
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So you are saying they lie.
They either tell the truth or don't.... don't = lie.
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