Open PvE

[Mouse]

And this is another glitch. We should not effect the BGS, i mean PvP and PvE shouldnt. However, playing in safe PvE environment give you a hadicap, you will gain better ship and more money, you will be more powerful than players in a PvP environment.
It is just not fair Maybe FD will give panther clipper for a 1000000000 cr and as you know, you will get it faster in PvE. It is only example but i think you catch what i mean.

And of course, someday you can feel the need to play in Open PvP - ok, no problem but in other cmdr slot (another copy from the point of separation) to just make it fair.

Mixing PvP and PvE is just unfair, especially for PvP players.

How can you call a core game function that was advertised from the start.. a glitch? And PVE is not "safe" the only difference is people, the game is the same either way.. and you are the one saying go to open and do all these things and I won't have to PVP.. yet you claim that if I were to do them in a PVE setting I would be "safer"... hmmmm now how could that be?

I fully agree that mixing PVP and PVE is just unfair.. but not for the PVP players.. they can attack who they choose, the PVErs on the other hand.. are at the whim of PVPers.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Not exactly We backed also for solo mode (btw, not important for me)
And the answer is - there are a hundreds of pages where people arguing about it. In any other game there is no so much tense discussion about it. This design is wrong (in my opinion) and should be changed a long time ago. But wasnt and as FD said it will NOT be changed and discussion wil continue



New and old players are different?
A few my colleagues started play in ED in last month, and they play only in Open.
I am not negating a sense of Open PvE, i understand people who want it because they want it, but in my opinion there should be a different slot, and it is probably totally unreal, but the should not share the same galaxy and economy.

We can agree, disagree, FD know all arguments and they do what they want, it is better for all of us to play the game, get a drink, than discussing about it again, again, and again.
Cheers!

My issue is it takes a minimum of 1500hrs to get to triple elite so for most people multiple slots is not an option

After initially playing in open I went into mobius and found it to be enjoyable for reasons outlined in mega thread. The problem with your suggestion is I want to play with my mates. Some play in open. Some in solo. During our play sessions a PvE mode is the perfect compromise but if Mobius ever leaves...................

My point is tho how can I play with my friends in the way which was advertised if you have your way? Your suggestion would break the game for many.

 

[Kyokushin]

My issue is it takes a minimum of 1500hrs to get to triple elite so for most people multiple slots is not an option

After initially playing in open I went into mobius and found it to be enjoyable for reasons outlined in mega thread. The problem with your suggestion is I want to play with my mates. Some play in open. Some in solo. During our play sessions a PvE mode is the perfect compromise but if Mobius ever leaves...................

My point is tho how can I play with my friends in the way which was advertised if you have your way? Your suggestion would break the game for many.

You aren't answering my question. When in the theoretical future you got what you wanted and ED created a second CMDR slot, one for PvP, one for PvE, what choices do existing CMDRs have? In short, who is "allowed" in your new PvP-only mode? All existing CMDR if they make a choice, to move permanently? Or only "pure" CMDR who have never logged into other modes except Open before? What about new players, are they informed straight away that one slot is PvE only and one is PvP only?
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Is it the first time a CMDR logs in after the schism, the mode they choose is permanent for that CMDR slot?

I wrote is twice at least here.
You can start from fresh or get a copy. Hipotetically, at some point of time in near future, FD create Open PvE and Open PvP modes. FD makes a copy of existings cmdrs for Open PvP and for Open PvE. You can clear save on PvE or PvP slot or dont.
But PvE account will not affect your PvP account and back.

Playing with friends - another consequence of a choice. However a copy of cmdr slot will allow you to play with friends even if they are in different world, but of course in different career line.
Simple - i want to play with friends in PvP world, i get and PvP commander slot, i want friends who choose PvE - i get PvE cmdr. And this affect anyone so it is fair.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Playing with friends - another consequence of a choice. However a copy of cmdr slot will allow you to play with friend even if they are in different world, but of course in different career line.

Your point would be valid IMO if the functionality was not promised 2.5 years ago and if it had not been running successfully for many people for 8 months. As it is however change now esp after repeated promises from the devs many would cry bait and switch and demand refunds, and with good reason imo

 

[Kyokushin]

Your point would be valid IMO if the functionality was not promised 2.5 years ago and if it had not been running successfully for many people for 8 months. As it is however change now esp after repeated promises from the devs many would cry bait and switch and demand refunds, and with good reason imo

I agree with you, as i wrote, the problem is, IF they make it right, there will be group of people who want it as it is because the want is as it is (and with the fact it will not affect their 8 months work because they get a copy both for pve and pvp worlds)
However a copy in my opinion should resolve a problem with demanding refunds, because they will have all features they have in past. Their progress, possibility to play in different modes and possibility to play with a friends.

Hmm, there is another option.
Create another mode - Open without possibility to switch - and IF someone thinking as me, he can choose this and this will be restricted mode, for Open PvP only, without possibility to switch (and of course nobody from normal mode will have possibility to enter here). Start from a 'copy' of existing cmdr slot.

A change in plus, not in minus, not revolution, but one mode add. win-win.

 

[Mouse]

I wrote is twice at least here.
You can start from fresh or get a copy. Hipotetically, at some point of time in near future, FD create Open PvE and Open PvP modes. FD makes a copy of existings cmdrs for Open PvP and for Open PvE. You can clear save on PvE or PvP slot or dont.
But PvE account will not affect your PvP account and back.

Playing with friends - another consequence of a choice. However a copy of cmdr slot will allow you to play with friends even if they are in different world, but of course in different career line.
Simple - i want to play with friends in PvP world, i get and PvP commander slot, i want friends who choose PvE - i get PvE cmdr. And this affect anyone so it is fair.

I just do not see any benefit of this over being able to just move modes as we can now.. I want to PVP I go into CQC or open, I want to play PVE I go into Mobius or hopefully soon a PVE mode, I want to be alone or have a bad connection I go into solo. Why would we need multiple identical commander slots to do it?

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I agree with you, as i wrote, the problem is, IF they make it right, there will be people who want it as it is because the want is as it is (and with the fact it will not affect their 8 months work because they get a copy both for pve and pvp worlds)

And again your trying to change the game from different modes all on the same BGS to Different servers that are completely separate from each other BGS wise which Fdev already said.. no

 

[Tuub t Tute]

I wrote is twice at least here.
You can start from fresh or get a copy. Hipotetically, at some point of time in near future, FD create Open PvE and Open PvP modes. FD makes a copy of existings cmdrs for Open PvP and for Open PvE. You can clear save on PvE or PvP slot or dont.
But PvE account will not affect your PvP account and back.

Playing with friends - another consequence of a choice. However a copy of cmdr slot will allow you to play with friends even if they are in different world, but of course in different career line.
Simple - i want to play with friends in PvP world, i get and PvP commander slot, i want friends who choose PvE - i get PvE cmdr. And this affect anyone so it is fair.

So, I can (hypothetically) take my "dirty solo" billion cr I traded in my shieldless T9 into new PvP only mode and fund infinite Vultures? Intriguing!

 

[Robert Maynard]

I agree with you, as i wrote, the problem is, IF they make it right, there will be people who want it as it is because the want is as it is (and with the fact it will not affect their 8 months work because they get a copy both for pve and pvp worlds)

Given that there is a single shared galaxy state, simply locking commanders to a single mode would not enable players in PvP mode to counter all CG or Powerplay actions - especially as we are not expecting to be able to crossplay with players on XBox One.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I agree with you, as i wrote, the problem is, IF they make it right, there will be group of people who want it as it is because the want is as it is (and with the fact it will not affect their 8 months work because they get a copy both for pve and pvp worlds)
However a copy in my opinion should resolve a problem with demanding refunds, because they will have all features they have in past. Their progress, possibility to play in different modes and possibility to play with a friends.

Hmm, there is another option.
Create another mode - Open without possibility to switch - and IF someone thinking as me, he can choose this and this will be restricted mode, for Open PvP only, without possibility to switch (and of course nobody from normal mode will have possibility to enter here).
A change in plus, not in minus, not revolution, but one mode add. win-win.

Your last option is the only one which would work for me personally as it does not take anything away but I fear it would cost FD too much (actually maybe not if you are happy sharing the same persistant universe) and would created even more "open is a wasteland" complaints

But personally it works for me

 

[Kyokushin]

So, I can (hypothetically) take my "dirty solo" billion cr I traded in my shieldless T9 into new PvP only mode and fund infinite Vultures? Intriguing!

I have not a problem with that. Life will verify this infinite Vultures fast But without a possibility to fast jump to solo for moar hypothetically of course

created even more "open is a wasteland" complaints

Space is big. Some thousends of people in plus or minus will not make a differece

Given that there is a single shared galaxy state, simply locking commanders to a single mode would not enable players in PvP mode to counter all CG or Powerplay actions - especially as we are not expecting to be able to crossplay with players on XBox One.

yes, and as i wrote, another glitch, a 'true pvp pure' mode should have own galaxy. As beta environment have. You do not have a new resources to calculate at one time, they will move from One compute center (existing) to another (open pvp), so a needed compute power should not grow so much.

In a summary: where is our promised hardcore mode?
(however a hardcore, when you die, you die is too hardcore for me, i prefer this teleport with rebuy cost )

 

[Robert Maynard]

yes, and as i wrote, another glitch, a 'true pvp pure' mode should have own galaxy. As beta environment have. You do not have a new resources to calculate at one time, they will move from One compute center (existing) to another (open pvp), so a compute power should not grow so much.

It's not a glitch though - it is conscious design. As are the three modes and mode switching. Frontier did not create the game with the intention of including a locked in separate PvP game mode.

 

[Kyokushin]

It's not a glitch though - it is conscious design. As are the three modes and mode switching. Frontier did not create the game with the intention of including a locked in separate PvP game mode.

Ok, it is a glitch in my opinion Just not good (for me of course) design.

 

[Cody]

... however a hardcore, when you die, you die is too hardcore for me, i prefer this teleport with rebuy cost

<chortles> No comment!

 

[Kyokushin]

<chortles> No comment!

I know, i am noob.

But personally it works for me

This is a rare, and i think it is a first time since december 2014 when two people from different sides of discussion in PvE/PvP subject agreed in some question
Cheers mate!

 

[Mouse]

Ok, it is a glitch in my opinion Just not good (for me of course) design.

So why would you buy a game that advertises something as part of it's core design you view as a "glitch"?

 

[Lestenio]

No problem, and you should have different slot.
Why not? As you said you do not want any PvP. Ok - so it will not affect you.

They can just copy your existing CMDR to a PvE environment and you can continue your career in PvE, but for PvP you will have other slot. Why not? They make a copies for beta

I can't see any benefit of mutiple slots. I'm not interested in maintaining 2 characters just so I can have fun in my own but then be expected to switch to another game, ship and credits when I want to play with a friend. It's not workable.

In my opinion at least, mutiple saves would cause more issues than it solves. One save for the main game, the other for boosting a sidewinder into people docking for fun and no consequence.

 

[Kyokushin]

So why would you buy a game that advertises something as part of it's core design you view as a "glitch"?

Because i like Elite. I got this and need to live with it. There was more pros than cons.

 

[Mouse]

I can't see any benefit of mutiple slots. I'm not interested in maintaining 2 characters just so I can have fun in my own but then be expected to switch to another game, ship and credits when I want to play with a friend. It's not workable.

In my opinion at least, mutiple saves would cause more issues than it solves. One save for the main game, the other for boosting a sidewinder into people docking for fun and no consequence.

Multiple slots are because if I am reading what he says right, he wants a PVE mode, but that mode and Open PVP mode to be utterly separate servers with their own BGS.

 

[Kyokushin]

Multiple slots are because if I am reading what he says right, he wants a PVE mode, but that mode and Open PVP mode to be utterly separate servers with their own BGS.

Yes, thats right. This is on the top of my wishlist to Santa Claus

 

[Mouse]

Yes, thats right. This is on the top of my wishlist to Santa Claus

Why though? Those asking for a PVE server have a valid request as I can see it that would take little effort to create, what valid reason would you have for the mass expenditure needed to change the core game and make duplicate servers?