I think it'd make more sense to allow groups as large and popular as Mobius to become "official". Make the group independent of any given player, but still let the members of that group handle access to the group. Kinda like a subforum with sub mods.
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I would be very fearful of it thinning the player base if all these different modes were included. Personally I play on Mobius as I like to relax at the end of the day and not have to worry about getting shot up by someone. But if there is a change to PvE and PvP, where exactly do the pirates go?
I think there is an assumption that all PvP is kill on sight arcade shoot-em-up, but there is more depth to it in open play. No trader in their right mind would play in PvP. A pirate could play in PvP but get their shields fried before they finished typing "stand and deliver". Alternatively they go to PvE for the roleplay, all the while the hapless trader says "nah, your alright I'll keep my 80T fish" then they sail off into the sunset knowing that the pirate can't do anything about it.
Someone said it earlier: I would very happily support removal of solo for a PvE/Mobius mode. I don't think solo helps the community at all.
Robert Maynard
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This thread is about adding an official game mode for open-access PvE play. Please discuss the merits of the three existing game modes in the relevant thread.
Here is hoping that the big reveal this afternoon is that FD will finally give better group management or even an official open-PVE mode to the game.
Would be nice if people could actually make a conscious choice when they start up the game for the first time instead of having to find out afterwards in the forums that something like Mobius exists.
Would be nice if people could actually make a conscious choice when they start up the game for the first time instead of having to find out afterwards in the forums that something like Mobius exists.
Why the Frack would you hold a grudge against Mobius group? Really why what did the Mobius group do to you? they did nothing to you!, CODE disrespected Mobius, Veg&mash overstepped the line not giving a crap about other players, you will reap what you sow, I hope your harvest is ten fold what you plant.
I speak for myself only OFC but you on your chips, 2 CODE members screwed it up for all CODE members, I fly in open in my type6 looking to share rares, the only thing U will see from me is an in game log off or self destruct, I will not give any of you a ton of fish or a single word or second of my life online.
I never left open due to ganking etc (and I have run via lave, Diso & leesti for a month, never got robbed), I left open because I met "some" obnoxious people on the forum that I would not want to spend a moment of my in game time with, welcome to the list, you earned your place!, you are right behind Veg&mash. If I could block "you few" in game I might play in open a whole lot more. Shame as I am sure there are some decent Code pilots out there.
I never met any of you in open & I spent enough time on your doorstep in the last month, but no more, I would like to apologise to any decent CODE pirates, I am sure there are many but a couple of gobby agressive pricks with no morals messed it up for all of you!
Fly safe, and continue to wonder why Open seem empty. When you are gone many may return!
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I lent a spare I had laying about. Bacon Cats say no to deliberately nasty, grief-motivated harassment.
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open-access PVE <-- yes.
as for ramming, if i am PVE you just pass through me as if i wasn't there.
you say you want me marked so you don't try to ram me in the station?
i say don't be ramming in the station.
or out of it either.
+ 1 rep to you, and thank you for your post.
if these people are a real representative of even a small portion of mankind . . .
anyway the idea of being able to play in open with other people that DO NOT care if i am in open with "NO PVP" set is something i like very much.
the only people that will know if i am in open with "NO PVP" set will be the people that i intend to avoid.
when thinking about it it seems that almost everyone in open could choose to be "PVE ONLY" and never know or care if anyone else had also made that choice.
the very small minority of people that would know or care would have the very large influence that they have on the current "open without choice mode" removed.
the open mode would not be removed, just the inordinately/improperly large and destructive effect of a few folks that enjoy causing discomfort for other people against their will would be removed.
their argument that it will fragment the user base is exactly the opposite of what would happen.
it would allow many more people to be in open and give us the opportunity to have NORMAL human interaction rather than the discordant player interaction that this small, very small minority craves and infects every MMO that they choose to poison with their filth.
no offense intended.
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an automatically revokable letter of marque might be a way to regulate some of the activity that chases people out of open or to fit into an OPEN-PVE.
there is already a pirate leader in the game for issuing a letter good for any ship, and of course a limited letter could be issued by one of the non-pirate factions but would have restrictions making it a much more difficult set of conditions for your acceptable/legal targets.
finding an issuing agent might be a several step quest/mission that might begin at a black market for pirate faction, or other location for other factions.
it could be a mission where you need to find a specific person in a specific location and then maybe get a temporary letter to run a couple of missions to "prove your ability to do the job" before you get the permanent letter.
no non-consenting pew between players without the letter.
otherwise ramming and weapon fire passes right through a player ship causing no damage.
you can still pew in CQC and in the combat zones with or without the letter.
if you kill someone without cargo or in a sidewinder you lose the letter.
permanently.
ok maybe that's a bit harsh.
if you kill someone without cargo or in a sidewinder more that once in 20 hours of game time, not real time, time actually logged into the client in one of the modes, you lose the letter.
and rather than permanently you lose it for 200 hours of game time.
at least enough to really hurt and make you want to be careful the FIRST time rather than after doing it once.
this would mean that pirates could still be pirates, and griefers will be less common.
i also posted a copy of this in the open/group/solo discussion thread.
there is already a pirate leader in the game for issuing a letter good for any ship, and of course a limited letter could be issued by one of the non-pirate factions but would have restrictions making it a much more difficult set of conditions for your acceptable/legal targets.
finding an issuing agent might be a several step quest/mission that might begin at a black market for pirate faction, or other location for other factions.
it could be a mission where you need to find a specific person in a specific location and then maybe get a temporary letter to run a couple of missions to "prove your ability to do the job" before you get the permanent letter.
no non-consenting pew between players without the letter.
otherwise ramming and weapon fire passes right through a player ship causing no damage.
you can still pew in CQC and in the combat zones with or without the letter.
if you kill someone without cargo or in a sidewinder you lose the letter.
permanently.
ok maybe that's a bit harsh.
if you kill someone without cargo or in a sidewinder more that once in 20 hours of game time, not real time, time actually logged into the client in one of the modes, you lose the letter.
and rather than permanently you lose it for 200 hours of game time.
at least enough to really hurt and make you want to be careful the FIRST time rather than after doing it once.
this would mean that pirates could still be pirates, and griefers will be less common.
i also posted a copy of this in the open/group/solo discussion thread.
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Just going to throw in on this and say I agree and want an official open PvE mode in the hopes that the devs will see it and take notice if the demand...and thread...is big enough.
It already exists. Why should the devs create two? Go join Mobius.
Pretty sure you are already playing that.
Robert Maynard
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Which other open access game mode exists that is PvE only and can be accessed from the main menu (without finding out about it using out-of-game means and then applying to join and waiting to be accepted)?
Mobius is a player created and run Private Group that is access by permission / acceptance only, it's not open to all players without any restrictions and the PvE it contains is on trust (and it allows PvP in particular areas only with particular restrictions).
And these are drawbacks?
Robert Maynard
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The lack of an officially supported Open access PvE mode that is clearly advertised on the start menu is, in my opinion, a drawback. Players who do not wish to PvP cannot select a mode that allows them to play with random strangers - only the existing Open mode allows that.
And seriously, don't you think it's time Mobius (the player) got some rest? He can't be doing this forever.
And hasn't FD's response thus far been "Working as intended?"
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PvE only playing being largely supported by private group play is a benefit many of you are overlooking. Most Cheaters and griefers can't be bothered to go through the process of joining up before getting their jollies. Give them one click access and PvE open will be no different than PvP open, the only difference will be in how they harass you.
Great, then he can hand it off to someone else. Better yet, he can hand it off to several someones. Any group that large should be managed by committee anyways as a matter of practicality.
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I'm sure that, had the only real "PvP" mode been required to go the way of Mobius, there would have been quite the swing in attitudes on the suitability of such a mode.
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