Opinion on Orcas

In the eye of the beholder....

That documentary is mostly a one way view of things (towards Seaworld indeed).

Seaworld didn't coöperate with the documentary, which makes the documentary appear to only harm Seaworld.
Is it full of lies? That is up to the viewer.

I don't think it is full of lies, it's just a one way story.

It doesn't really add anything to this topic as well.
 
I also think that in Blackfish things were told from a single point of view (which, in many cases, makes them very close to being false: if there is no contradiction one can say what he wants, you can only believe him on trust). I really like animals but I was very, very, very, disappointed about that movie, no contradiction means no credibility.

A lot of peoples may worry too much about killer whales and other zoo animals, but should we not try to improve the condition of farm animals first? Laying hens kept in cages as big as a shoe box, shredded live male chicks just born because they are not used to make eggs, calves caught from mothers a few days old because milk is needed by us (and killed if they are males because don't make milk and it is not cheap to breed them until adulthood).

The orcas are born in captivity, so there is no damages of Wildlife nature. They are kept well, maybe sometimes they could have problems but what can we say about the other animals in zoos and even in houses? I can’t believe how, but some people really think that to buy a little dog ad put it in a handbag, kept him always indoor, maybe alone without other dogs, means to love it.

Usually I don’t like to speak about this kind of things because they are very delicate and maybe they need to be speaked front to front, in a forum is difficult to explane yourself, and even more in a language that is not your first language. But my focus is to encourage the peoples that will read this, to make effort about the life of farm animals instead orcas or zoos animals because they are often very badly treated.

In the end, not counting all the other considerations, we should remember that is a game. So I’ll really happy if we’ll have orcas and dolphins even with shows.

yes, me too said this before.

someone else told killer whales that artificial insemination was forced and inseminated to earn money.
but I mentioned about artificial insemination. one said he forced the seed to kill the whales and then made money from their offspring. and I said that if artificial insemination is a crime then sheep, cows and horses are in captivity.


(They tell you in an article why Blackfish is a lie.
You will probably believe in blackfish again, but thank you anyway.
https://blackfish-lies.weebly.com/the-blackfish-lies.html )


I have no intention of fighting again. on the contrary, I think we should support each other together :)
I'm not trying to do advertising or protest here, but I think some things have been wronged. the killer whales shouldn't focus so much, at least killer whales are supervised by veterinarians in water parks :)
 
https://blackfish-lies.weebly.com/the-blackfish-lies.html

One person writing this down and making a website, doesn't make Blackfish a lie.

Just saying....

Again, Blackfish is a fairly off-topic subject.
Blackfish has been known to be overdone. Many of the information was overdramatic and not a very smart idea. Blackfish has claimed many imperfections about Seaworld that in the end its completely false. There was many scenes that they used that make it look like an orca aggression but really the orca never harmed the trainer. There was this scene where there was a trainer getting on a whales back
https://blackfish-lies.weebly.com/the-blackfish-lies.html

One person writing this down and making a website, doesn't make Blackfish a lie.

Just saying....

Again, Blackfish is a fairly off-topic subject.
Blackfish is persuasive in many ways. If you haven't done any research about animals in captivity for sure Blackfish would change your point of view. Blackfish was done from their pov. Not Seaworld's. They made so much false claims that made Seaworld look like hell. John Hargrove has told many lies about Seaworld. In fact, the reason why he quit was because of demotion. There was many other people introduced who were ex staff members or scientists who were completely irrelevant to the topic. Honestly Blackfish is a joke.
 
I don't really want to get too into the specifics and, as I've said in previous threads I think there are ways of putting them in game but making the game mechanics actually help educate people so I'm ok with them in virtual environments, but the facts that disturb me that I think no one disputes about orcas in captivity is a) it is very difficult to keep them in family groups and that's a problem for an animal as social as orcas and b) they live a shorter time in captivity than they often do in the wild. As someone who has worked with a number of captive species in zoos, aquaria and animal parks, that is highly unusual and what really makes me think captivity is not good for them - almost every other species I've worked with has examples where captive animals have lived considerably longer than any known wild counterparts. But that's just my take on it.
 
Do your own research on killer whale health and welfare in captivity from factual sources rather than relying on wandwagon opinions, that’s all I’d have to say on that.

I have a list of peer-reviewed journal articles regarding orcas in captivity if anyone would like to read them to help them understand the facts.

I will repeat again I will take no issue with orcas being in the game if they are added as long as it is done tactfully. I mentioned that high risk/high reward gameplay with such animals may help with that.
 
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b) they live a shorter time in captivity than they often do in the wild. As someone who has worked with a number of captive species in zoos, aquaria and animal parks, that is highly unusual and what really makes me think captivity is not good for them - almost every other species I've worked with has examples where captive animals have lived considerably longer than any known wild counterparts. But that's just my take on it.
Corky, who lives in Seaworld, is over 52 years old...
Do your own research on killer whale health and welfare in captivity from factual sources rather than relying on wandwagon opinions, that’s all I’d have to say on that.

I have a list of peer-reviewed journal articles regarding orcas in captivity if anyone would like to read them to help them understand the facts.

I will repeat again I will take no issue with orcas being in the game if they are added as long as it is done tactfully. I mentioned that high risk/high reward gameplay with such animals may help with that.
I agree with you in a way. if killer whales are carefully done in the game, I don't think there will be any trouble.
 
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Corky, who lives in Seaworld, is over 52 years old...

I agree with you in a way. if killer whales are carefully done in the game, I don't think there will be any trouble.
Corky has lived longer than any captive whale, which is telling enough in a species that lives on average 50 - 80 years in the wild. The average lifespan in captivity is 29 for females and 17 for males. Those are the facts, and Corky being an outlier doesn’t disprove them.
 
Corky has lived longer than any captive whale, which is telling enough in a species that lives on average 50 - 80 years in the wild. The average lifespan in captivity is 29 for females and 17 for males. Those are the facts, and Corky being an outlier doesn’t disprove them.
I don't want to argue with anyone. I'm not trying to trick anyone, I'm not trying to attract anyone to my side. I'm just saying that some things are wrong. keep believing what you know...
 
I don't want to argue with anyone. I'm not trying to trick anyone, I'm not trying to attract anyone to my side. I'm just saying that some things are wrong. keep believing what you know...
Like I said, as long as your opinion is founded in your interpretation of the facts, that’s better than blindly believing something.

I believe my opinion is rooted in nothing but evidence that I can cite and show others. My knowledge stems from scientific research only. If you believe the same of your opinion, there is no argument to be had between us - I respect entirely how you feel, as I would hope you respect my differing opinion. I was simply saying evidence should be taken with a grain of salt and all information considered, not just one piece in isolation. Your evidence did not disprove the poster’s point.

As I have said I wouldn’t be upset is killer whales are in the game. That is the point of this discussion, and I’m not sure how the real-life ethical argument arose.
 
Like I said, as long as your opinion is founded in your interpretation of the facts, that’s better than blindly believing something.

I believe my opinion is rooted in nothing but evidence that I can cite and show others. My knowledge stems from scientific research only. If you believe the same of your opinion, there is no argument to be had between us - I respect entirely how you feel, as I would hope you respect my differing opinion. I was simply saying evidence should be taken with a grain of salt and all information considered, not just one piece in isolation. Your evidence did not disprove the poster’s point.

As I have said I wouldn’t be upset is killer whales are in the game. That is the point of this discussion, and I’m not sure how the real-life ethical argument arose.
unfortunately, there is no respect for my views.
why are we talking about this in a game forum anyway? this is rubbish. That's the problem. real life, real life...
I just know who you are discussing with by only reading your responses. :ROFLMAO:
Watch out. He might get personal in DM's.

Just stick to your very valid opinion, that's what I did too.

ps. Just because of this back and forth discussion and him sending me messages even though I asked him to stop DM'ing me, I put him on Ignore. Great function.

It's best to have no opinion about Orca's, because whatever you say that might sound a bit like critique, your opinion doesn't count anymore for him.
As for you, I don't care about you at all. Keep sitting in your corner, it's better for you. :)
 
This is a game about keeping animals in captivity. A "build your dream zoo" game. The thought of feeling disturbed about keeping killer whales in captivity can very. The marine mammals at Seaworld are given well care. These animals can't be released (which you should know). What Seaworld does to care for these animals is following up with daily check ups, specific diets for every whale, nurse them, and give them lots of love. The base of the game is to take care of your animals in your zoo. If not then it would probably die unfortunately. My point is, keeping orcas in game would also be the same by giving them lots of care just like the rest of the other animals. With proper care, the animals should thrive.
 
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I remember seeing everywhere on aquarium social medias that people are protesting the aquariums due to that blackfish documentary, even though the documentary was only about sea world and how they treat orcas. I think Planet zoo, as it is a work of fiction, should be able to have Orcas in the game, if theres ever a marine DLC.
 
No limit in the game! you can easily build a large tank. I would also like to add that in this game, no matter how much the killer whales needs, it won't matter. because players can play with the codes of this game just like in zoo tycoon 2, so they can probably remove the space requirements of all animals.
let me put a link for those who do not understand
https://thezt2roundtable.com/adoption-biome-space-hack-t11597.html
such a mode probably also comes into this game. so it doesn't matter how much space the killer whale wants.
This applies to all animals.
 
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