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Out of Fuel? - Explorer Rescue Service, The Fuel Rats
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I'm OK with you representing yourself as one of the Fuel Rats, and speaking for the collective to the degree that any of us do.Yeah, thought so. I'm a Fuel Rat and as such represent the collective, but I can only speak for myself. Other Rats, Other opinions.
It would be nice to be a faction with a special fuel tank of plentifulness or perhaps a super-stiff limpet or something... free refuel at any station, or a fuel scoop that can scoop everything even wolf rayet, neutron, LTY and Tauris !
I know you were kidding when you wrote "executive staff" but, of course, we have none. I wasn't (really) kidding. There are some operators among us and I'd like to take some responsibility but I think in ananarchic collective you take the responsibility you want as long as it's harmless and you do it well. That's why I don't do dispatch much these days, people are better than me at it so I left that seat for now.
Part of the design I originally tried to lay out for the Fuel Rats was so that there is no central important person; that if I get eaten by a grue tomorrow, nobody'll shed a tear and things will continue more or less without me. Except hopefully Ziggy will write The Ballad Of The Badger and The Grue or something. Would love to read that one ! Unless you die at the end.
Pshe, let me get a refuelling T9 with a 1D controller, no shield and only cargo. I could go 500 limpets at once !
I was thinking of a CG the other night, lost the idea while sleeping, but it had to do with carrying large amount of hydrogen fuel (you can buy that in some stations right ?) to Fuelum.
EDIT : damn it multi-posting !
Yeah, my people !
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I'm OK with you representing yourself as one of the Fuel Rats, and speaking for the collective to the degree that any of us do.
I know you were kidding when you wrote "executive staff" but, of course, we have none. Part of the design I originally tried to lay out for the Fuel Rats was so that there is no central important person; that if I get eaten by a grue tomorrow, nobody'll shed a tear and things will continue more or less without me. Except hopefully Ziggy will write The Ballad Of The Badger and The Grue or something.
I know I've been quiet in-game as of late, but I'm juggling a lot IRL and in-game atm, so something's had to go on the back-burner; FR are flying so that's the space I've made.
Re: the above quote; no to any Official Face, formalised or not. There's a time and a place for a hierarchy and imo The Fuel Rats are not the place and will hopefully never find the time. The Glory, the Prestige comes from Ratting, not a formal position. Anyway you shake it a 'Chief Exec' 'Chief Spokesrat' are positions of influence and power, FR is a mob and Mob rules.
Nobody speaks on behalf of me (my own mouth is big enough tyvm), and I speak only for myself. Should there need to be a 'Declaration of Consensus' (yeah moderately pompous) this can be posted by Rat without the need for titles or medals.
Pretty much. I've never been bothered by missing a CG, but ohhhhh I wish I'd had the time to commit to the Sag A rescue, that was a piece of pure awesome, that's the stuff songs are made off.
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More Fuel Rats in ED reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3dpsww/cheers_to_the_fuelrats/
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3dpsww/cheers_to_the_fuelrats/
Im sure Ziggy can oblige or already has
In other news I've also had RL problems but feel im now in a position to retrofit my Anaconda and have enough to loose it 5-10 times with no problems.
I will start appearing as a lurker on the IRC chat. I plan to mop up any calls within 2 jumps as well as any times where other rats are thin on the ground. Any call that gets 2/3 responses and I'll sit quiet until needed, not one to be jumping on scoreboards
Just having a re-read at the instructions and getting up to date if there's anything else to do let me know
I actually wrote a song about it during my (admittedly small) contribution to Operation Neospike. It went something like this:
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJump
ScoopityJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJump
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoopityMap!Mappity Map!
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoopJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJump
Worry, oh, am I out of fuel?
JumpScoopJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJump
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoop,Map,JumpJumpJumpJump
Wing up, Nav to Beacon, LIMPET LIMPET LIMPET LIMPET wait wait LIMPET LIMPET LIMPET
Ok*, JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoop
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoop
JumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpJumpScoop
Jump
Jump
Jump
You gotta sing it with a kind of hip-hop beat. Like, imagine Kid Rock on
a really bad day with a massive toothache. Or something.
(* With my usual exquisite timing, I got there just in time for CMDR Neospike to
need to take a nap. So he logged out and I did too. The next day there were
enough other Fuel Rats ready in position with fuel that I went back home. So I did
a 5000ly round trip to deliver a whopping 20t of fuel. I'm just thrilled I was able to
help!)
Umm I actually picture that to one of Tolkien's more irritating songs*
Lol you sir, are a natural Ratter
But hell yeah, to have been a part of it...man I'm genuinely gutted. I mean, that was Ratters' Lore in the making, up there with some lad pulling a sword out of a stone, some old fella running electricity though a guitar, That, that was history...and I missed it *sobs*
*I love LotR but by god I hate his songs
I thought it was Dub-Step, and was waiting for the Bass Drop!
Got another pic! Credits to CMDR AlKhalil for getting there first, but he was having instancing issues until we regrouped.
Yes, I run three screens, its lovely, except when sharing screenshots...have to make the call if I crop it down to 16:10 or leave it panoramic. Those are 3 of the 8 spent fuel limpets in the second photo.
As to the spokepersonship issue, so far Surly, Kerenn and Cpt Shinobi have all talked about the Rats in a manner consistent with my viewpoint and frequently enough for me to make such a judgement, fine with any of them being FD's contact for the Player Groups thing, since they expect player groups to have some form of government or something
Quick Rat tip I thought I'd pass on.
I staged a rat training mission for someone this morning and realised that, as a stranded client with all modules disabled (including sensors), when your rescuer arrives you can't see them unless they fly around in front of you (and you can't turn to look at them either).
So, if you want to make your client feel like they're being well and truly rescued ... Do it from in front of them!
I staged a rat training mission for someone this morning and realised that, as a stranded client with all modules disabled (including sensors), when your rescuer arrives you can't see them unless they fly around in front of you (and you can't turn to look at them either).
So, if you want to make your client feel like they're being well and truly rescued ... Do it from in front of them!
Must be quite a harrowing experience sitting nearly blind in your cold, defenseless ship and suddenly have the hull shudder from the impact of fuel limpets.
Hi everyone, I'd like to join the rest of you Rats when I get back from Sadge this time - should be later this week. Does this post make me a Fuel Rat, or do I need to chat on the IRC channel?
I'm going to send a few days in the bubble checking out the relevant station for a rares-running race I'm planning for The Buckyball Racing Club (looks like we're happy with the name now).
After those few days I'll be heading back into the black scouting out some stages for The Galactic Rally, only returning when needed for races. I'll make sure that I take some limpets with me.
(And a bigger tank - I might be calling for help before I make it home with this 10t tank!)
The Rally might bring lots of call outs, I'm hoping to run it though lots of Aucoks type areas between spectacular places...
I'm going to send a few days in the bubble checking out the relevant station for a rares-running race I'm planning for The Buckyball Racing Club (looks like we're happy with the name now).
After those few days I'll be heading back into the black scouting out some stages for The Galactic Rally, only returning when needed for races. I'll make sure that I take some limpets with me.
(And a bigger tank - I might be calling for help before I make it home with this 10t tank!
)The Rally might bring lots of call outs, I'm hoping to run it though lots of Aucoks type areas between spectacular places...
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Looks like that's where we're booking 99.9999% of our gigs, so... Yeah, probably.
Administrivia notes:
- Looking to move fuelrats off my personal site and to a hosted site with a CMS, so I'm not the only person doing ugly layout and design (I have no illusions) That would allow rats to start topical threads and whatnot (TBD) ETA is about a week; PM me if you are interested in helping.
- Looking to move the Roster to a google spreadsheet integrated with the leaderboard (so you can only claim a rescue if you are on the roster and versa-vice)
^^ ENCROACHING BUREAUCRACY!? - Have done some basic outreach to various community groups interested in in-game groups; personally I feel it is cool if we do multiple outreaches each in our own way - that makes us look sort of like an anarchic rat-mischief - or something. I picture someone saying "who can rescue me?" and every fuel rat hopping up and squeaking "ME! ME! ME! I AM SPARTACUS!"
- You are all awesome
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Just a side note having had a go at a few rescues this weekend and been plagued by instancing but I noticed:
It would be useful to have either:
1) A function that tells people how many rescues are in progress that can be updated by the dispatcher. This allows people who login to see if they need to stay quiet or if they can say hello.
or
2) A side-chat so that once the call has been dispatched to 1 or more rats the client and rats can be put in a separate chat room allowing the main one to return to idle gossip
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It would be useful to have either:
1) A function that tells people how many rescues are in progress that can be updated by the dispatcher. This allows people who login to see if they need to stay quiet or if they can say hello.
or
2) A side-chat so that once the call has been dispatched to 1 or more rats the client and rats can be put in a separate chat room allowing the main one to return to idle gossip
1 - The function should still be a brief 'Hi whatchaname-who-we-know, op in progress' or 'Hi we-don't-know-you-yet, need fuel?' (done by dispatcher preferably, if available)
2 - The idle gossip should be strictly secondary imho, and when operation is in progress then a strict 'HUSH / zip it' should be clear enough. Everyone should remember this, and everyone can hush the chan if needed. (And I know that I might occasionally brake this principle, but you can hush me too!)
Another room would be bit too complicated in a time of stress and hurry.
Just a side note having had a go at a few rescues this weekend and been plagued by instancing but I noticed:
It would be useful to have either:
1) A function that tells people how many rescues are in progress that can be updated by the dispatcher. This allows people who login to see if they need to stay quiet or if they can say hello.
or
2) A side-chat so that once the call has been dispatched to 1 or more rats the client and rats can be put in a separate chat room allowing the main one to return to idle gossip
What would be helpful is for everyone to keep silent as a rescue is occurring. Too often lately, we have had multiple conversations that continue while a rescue is in action. Also, even when a Dispatch has started conversing with the client, other rats are trying to get the same information either by asking the same questions or going into private conversations with the client. This causes confusion for the client and other rats that are waiting to work with the Dispatch.
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It would be helpful if our new rats have read the guidelines and lessons we have learned and posted on the website.
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I agree.
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Consider we are trying to get all this information from the client (name, system, system nearby, shut everything down, go to main menu, bank account details, etc), as well as friend requests flying in, do they know Wing mechanics, and then we want to try to teach them how to join a new chat channel and get the primary and secondary rats in there? What if a backup rat on Op #1 is needed for Op #2? Seems too confusing.
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Ok, I just noticed people just joining the channel usually said hello not knowing about the op and got about 6 or 7 replies from other people on the channel.
You make good arguments against and I suppose it (mostly) works as it is
Bloody kids today. When I was an apprentice Fuel Rat, we respected our elders and kept quiet unless spoken too. Also had to get up before the sun had risen to make sure the limpets were polished and fuel delivery mechanisms were greased to perfection. IRC? They are lucky to have IRC. We used to live in a forum thread and people were lucky to get rescued the same day, let alone the same hour.
PS. I agree