Yes I was going to post screenshots but the forums don't seem to want me to because its too big. Hawaii over here was trapped in the black lagoon nebula about 4k out from the bubble. Hawaii is a fellow rat and he was on the emergency reservoir if I had any instancing oops he would of gone to a CR with only 5 minutes of air. Instancing was good but that was not the end of my worries. He had a broken fuel scoop if he did not have the amfus or they were not able to fix the scoop we would of been looking at operation Hawaii bucket brigade save. If that had happened we would of been looking at an op that would of easily been more difficult than operation Neospike. Fly safe Hawaii pls get back to the bubble in one piece.
Out of Fuel? - Explorer Rescue Service, The Fuel Rats
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And again, I feel they should cheat and heighten the Gamma on ships so that they don't just show black shadows ...
You have the Black Friday paintjob for that
On the matter of assists
Fellow Rats, the matter of Assists start toget on my nerves become slightly frustrating. Whether you are the first Limpeteer now gets down to pure luck with all that instancing and dc's. Therefore I would love to raise a poll between the active rats whether Assists should count for the 100/200 etc. rescues numbers. Addendum: This is not an essential topic, but it is something that could easily be changed an could have some effect.
Just to make myself clear, i don't want to hard-headed press an opinion here, but i would like to get a picture how the other Rats think – and if they are positive, maybe even a change.
Pro that Assists should count as Rescues in terms of Rat's Total Rescues:
Contra:
So Rats, what is your position in this? I would love to raise a poll on FuelRats website for registered Rats, yet this is beyond my privileges (or time).
[1] No, Assist should not count towards Leaderboard total and fancy "blobs".
[2] Absolutely, Assists should also count toward an individual Rat's total. More "blobs" are all the better!
[3] I don't care. I don't think others are motivated by this Leaderboard question to any effect.
[4] Wipe the board and leave it wiped
[5] ... ?
See => here for the Reddit discussion.
Fellow Rats, the matter of Assists start to
Just to make myself clear, i don't want to hard-headed press an opinion here, but i would like to get a picture how the other Rats think – and if they are positive, maybe even a change.
Pro that Assists should count as Rescues in terms of Rat's Total Rescues:
- Client comes first no matter what, that is out of the question. Yet that doesn't mean some background things can't be adjusted, especially if they serve general "comfortability".
- We are working in teams. the whole team wins when the client is rescued, not just one member of the team. Would be strange to just give the trophy to the goalkeeper of a football match, or one single player, would it ...
- There is a Leaderboard which is a motivator for those who appreciate such counts. It also serves as a good orientation for spatches if they are in doubt about a Rat. And, well, it's become shiny now with all those little symbols
- The "blobs" for 100, 200 etc. rescues are something certain Rats are proud of, or eager to gain, which makes them a motivator. Stripping the more or less random Assists from those Rats should be quite frustrating for them.
- We are a team, a collective. Rat race, yes; but if Rats are working together, all should get the same share of the bacon.
- Above Rats should be more motivated to go on rescues even if three Rats are assigned.
- Being the first on a Rescue but loosing it to a slower Rat beats Rat Race adrenaline and is plain frustrating.
- Vice versa, slow Rats get the same bacon with Assist count, so both . I just assume that this is less frustrating for the Race winner than being left out.
- There are usually 2 rats assigned to a Rescue, so there's no danger for "flood".
- At least in my experience, Assigned Rats really go for the job and usually arrive in system. Exceptions are normally down to DCs and such game-gods stuff. So there's no real danger in a scale that matters, for delivering unearned honour.
- While Assist of earlier Rescues have not been counted, they are recorded for some time now, giving even Veteran Rats who are still active the same bonus as the younger ones -- just omitting the earlier assists.
- To earn a "blob", so 100+ rescues, needs dedication even with Assists counting. Any Rat with 100+ rescues and Assists is a really serious Rodent.
- Since Assists are already recorded, it shouldn't be a problem to change the Leaderboard accordingly.
- Real rescues could still be listed alongside the Total, showing both Total and Own First Limpets on the board.
Contra:
- Assists of Veteran Rats had not been counted.
- When should an Assist count as an Assist? Already at Assignment or at sys+/drop/whatever? This would be too complicated (see argument above against this [cool])
- ...? Please supply ...
So Rats, what is your position in this? I would love to raise a poll on FuelRats website for registered Rats, yet this is beyond my privileges (or time).
[1] No, Assist should not count towards Leaderboard total and fancy "blobs".
[2] Absolutely, Assists should also count toward an individual Rat's total. More "blobs" are all the better!
[3] I don't care. I don't think others are motivated by this Leaderboard question to any effect.
[4] Wipe the board and leave it wiped
[5] ... ?
See => here for the Reddit discussion.
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Fellow Rats, the matter of Assists start to get on my nerves. Whether you are the first Limpeteer now gets down to pure luck with all that instancing and dc's. Therefore I would love to raise a poll between the active rats whether Assists should count for the 100/200 etc. rescues numbers.
Pro that Assists should count as Rescues in terms of Rat's Total Rescues:
- Client comes first no matter what, that is out of the question. Yet that doesn't mean some background things can't be adjusted, especially if they serve general "comfortability".
- We are working in teams. the whole team wins when the client is rescued, not just one member of the team. Would be strange to just give the trophy to the goalkeeper of a football match, or one single player, would it ...
- There is a Leaderboard which is a motivator for those who appreciate such counts. It also serves as a good orientation for spatches if they are in doubt about a Rat. And, well, it's become shiny now with all those little symbols
- The "blobs" for 100, 200 etc. rescues are something certain Rats are proud of, or eager to gain, which makes them a motivator. Stripping the more or less random Assists from those Rats should be quite frustrating for them.
- We are a team, a collective. Rat race, yes; but if Rats are working together, all should get the same share of the bacon.
- Above Rats should be more motivated to go on rescues even if three Rats are assigned.
- Being the first on a Rescue but loosing it to a slower Rat beats Rat Race adrenaline and is plain frustrating.
- Vice versa, slow Rats get the same bacon with Assist count, so both . I just assume that this is less frustrating for the Race winner than being left out.
- There are usually 2 rats assigned to a Rescue, so there's no danger for "flood".
- At least in my experience, Assigned Rats really go for the job and usually arrive in system. Exceptions are normally down to DCs and such game-gods stuff. So there's no real danger in a scale that matters, for delivering unearned honour.
- While Assist of earlier Rescues have not been counted, they are recorded for some time now, giving even Veteran Rats who are still active the same bonus as the younger ones -- just omitting the earlier assists.
- To earn a "blob", so 100+ rescues, needs dedication even with Assists counting. Any Rat with 100+ rescues and Assists is a really serious Rodent.
- Since Assists are already recorded, it shouldn't be a problem to change the Leaderboard accordingly. Real rescues could still be listed alongside the Total.
Contra:
- Assists of Veteran Rats had not been counted.
- When should an Assist count as an Assist? Already at Assignment or at sys+/drop/whatever? This would be too complicated (see argument above against this [cool])
- ...? Please supply ...
So Rats, what is your position in this? I would love to raise a poll on FuelRats website for registered Rats, yet this is beyond my privileges (or time).
[1] No, Assist should not count towards Leaderboard total and fancy "blobs".
[2] Absolutely, Assists should also count toward an individual Rat's total. More "blobs" are all the better!
[3] I don't care.
[4] ...
Personally I am against changes to the current leaderboard however we could have a secondary number on there along the lines of "Rescues joined as backup". I have some days like Saturday where I have 7 assists to 1 success, all but one of them I got sys+ in. Then on Sunday I was on 4 success to 2 assists.
I think the roundel should remain unique, it's not really fair to change the yardstick now but we could add something to the roundel for 500 assists combined for the MVR award <- Most Valued rat.
Generally I think counting assists and displaying them is a good idea, as you mentioned we need to be careful about how we do it as in my dispatch time i've seen assists make 10j and not get sys+. Personally I think it should be down to dispatch and the rat doing pw with their assessment. It's rare that rats on assists don't
Finally I believe wings and dc'es are somewhat (yet not entirely) fixed in 2.2.
(just to note, this exists with the coronet roundel addition. Theres even a crown for 1,000 rescues
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(just to note, this exists with the coronet roundel addition. Theres even a crown for 1,000 rescues
Oh, I thought the crown was just for your rescues. I meant a specific assists award. Maybe i'm confused since I'm so far away from getting any of those, not even got my 100th pip yet but I'm not far off anymore
First off, I think this internal discussion/poll would have been in a far better place on reddit.
In my opinion, counting assists towards the leaderboard would lead to a run to be assigned as 2nd and 3rd rat even when many jumps behind. When Spatch decides that two or even one rat is enough for that case (which is less stressy for clients, too), they will have to justify themselves for some rats not getting a precious assist.
And speaking of: What about Spatch? No points for them yet?
If you aim for teamwork, best way is to shut the leaderboard down completely.
As alternative only show the rescues you did on login (as it is now), but wipe the public leaderboard.
4) Wipe the board.
In my opinion, counting assists towards the leaderboard would lead to a run to be assigned as 2nd and 3rd rat even when many jumps behind. When Spatch decides that two or even one rat is enough for that case (which is less stressy for clients, too), they will have to justify themselves for some rats not getting a precious assist.
And speaking of: What about Spatch? No points for them yet?
If you aim for teamwork, best way is to shut the leaderboard down completely.
As alternative only show the rescues you did on login (as it is now), but wipe the public leaderboard.
4) Wipe the board.
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I would really like to see away for ppl who go on long range rescues get the glory they deserve either its in assists or it counts as a 1 rescue. Most of the long range rescues I have been on it was a team effort I really cant thank enough: Burwellian,spaniels,Rusticolus,Anuranium,Kerenn,Domaq,shinobi and many others I cant think of off the top of my head. If I had not instanced smoothly with the guy 30k out on o2 we had rusticolus to back me up. Rusticolus put a lot of time into that save and really grinded hard to save that pilot. If he had not been there and I had instancing trouble it would not have been pretty. its not just long range rescues that are a team effort CRs and other rather nasty rescues. Dispatch, rats on the call are a team that eventually saves the client. Its not an easy problem to fix and I really do not have good answers to said problem of assists not being recognized but some kind of system or something would be nice for assists. The big thing for me is long range saves, tough rescues that need teamwork, we need some way to thank those rats because they often times esp long range rescues put at least more than six hours plus into those saves.
I think the current leader board is fine in counting rescues. However a badge for number of assists would be something they could add to cover this. Even most assist in a year would be cool.
Thank you Fuel Rats! Me and a buddy got stuck last night (newbs) and three great rats came to our rescue. Kaminsky and two others jumped in and got me running. They even talked me through the whole process.
Not only is it a great service, it also looks like a fun way to experience Elite. Sort of the On-Call Search & Rescue Team.
Keep up the great work!
-Nex
Not only is it a great service, it also looks like a fun way to experience Elite. Sort of the On-Call Search & Rescue Team.
Keep up the great work!
-Nex
REDDIT! My saviour! Completely forgot. Here we go: > link <
Spatch: Good idea. Thats the Rat that almost never gets mentioned, so definitely deserves Snickers there
Yet that is more down to RatTech and how easy it would be to implement that.Leaderboard: I think to count Totals instead of Rescues only would be a good compromise between a wipe and RatRacer motivator. Its quite entertaining to watch Curbin and kilo chasing each other
I've always thought assists should at least be recorded. Not as prestigious as a rescue but just as important when it comes to rescuing a client.
I was surprised when I joined up and the system wasn't already set up this way - however I think it only makes a difference when you first join. There are days when you'll only get assists, yes, but there are also days when I'll be first every time. Sure it's down to luck nowadays, but it seems to even-out - changing it to represent assists as well would only increase the number for everyone by the same proportion (except for rats with only a few rescues, where it could be a small or large increase, depending). I could see there being a listing for number of assists though, having that info on the board would be nice.Fellow Rats, the matter of Assists start toget on my nervesbecome slightly frustrating. Whether you are the first Limpeteer now gets down to pure luck with all that instancing and dc's. Therefore I would love to raise a poll between the active rats whether Assists should count for the 100/200 etc. rescues numbers. Addendum: This is not an essential topic, but it is something that could easily be changed an could have some effect.
Just to make myself clear, i don't want to hard-headed press an opinion here, but i would like to get a picture how the other Rats think – and if they are positive, maybe even a change.
Pro that Assists should count as Rescues in terms of Rat's Total Rescues:
- Client comes first no matter what, that is out of the question. Yet that doesn't mean some background things can't be adjusted, especially if they serve general "comfortability".
- We are working in teams. the whole team wins when the client is rescued, not just one member of the team. Would be strange to just give the trophy to the goalkeeper of a football match, or one single player, would it ...
- There is a Leaderboard which is a motivator for those who appreciate such counts. It also serves as a good orientation for spatches if they are in doubt about a Rat. And, well, it's become shiny now with all those little symbols
- The "blobs" for 100, 200 etc. rescues are something certain Rats are proud of, or eager to gain, which makes them a motivator. Stripping the more or less random Assists from those Rats should be quite frustrating for them.
- We are a team, a collective. Rat race, yes; but if Rats are working together, all should get the same share of the bacon.
- Above Rats should be more motivated to go on rescues even if three Rats are assigned.
- Being the first on a Rescue but loosing it to a slower Rat beats Rat Race adrenaline and is plain frustrating.
- Vice versa, slow Rats get the same bacon with Assist count, so both . I just assume that this is less frustrating for the Race winner than being left out.
- There are usually 2 rats assigned to a Rescue, so there's no danger for "flood".
- At least in my experience, Assigned Rats really go for the job and usually arrive in system. Exceptions are normally down to DCs and such game-gods stuff. So there's no real danger in a scale that matters, for delivering unearned honour.
- While Assist of earlier Rescues have not been counted, they are recorded for some time now, giving even Veteran Rats who are still active the same bonus as the younger ones -- just omitting the earlier assists.
- To earn a "blob", so 100+ rescues, needs dedication even with Assists counting. Any Rat with 100+ rescues and Assists is a really serious Rodent.
- Since Assists are already recorded, it shouldn't be a problem to change the Leaderboard accordingly.
- Real rescues could still be listed alongside the Total, showing both Total and Own First Limpets on the board.
Contra:
- Assists of Veteran Rats had not been counted.
- When should an Assist count as an Assist? Already at Assignment or at sys+/drop/whatever? This would be too complicated (see argument above against this [cool])
- ...? Please supply ...
So Rats, what is your position in this? I would love to raise a poll on FuelRats website for registered Rats, yet this is beyond my privileges (or time).
[1] No, Assist should not count towards Leaderboard total and fancy "blobs".
[2] Absolutely, Assists should also count toward an individual Rat's total. More "blobs" are all the better!
[3] I don't care. I don't think others are motivated by this Leaderboard question to any effect.
[4] Wipe the board and leave it wiped
[5] ... ?
I do think that this would be a good question to reconsider once 2.2 hits - supposedly they've fixed a lot of d/c issues (e.g. clientside wing disconnect issue on hyperspace jump)
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The issue is that nowadays there are so many rats that to even be worth your while setting out you need to be on top of the rescue and even then there will be 2 or 3 others within range. Rescues are now very luck based I feel outside of complex CR's or long range efforts.
Oh and even if we take into account that through counting Assists towards the Total, more Rats would jump up in the Leaderboard numbers --
I think there's nothing wrong with having more Rats in the top tiers ...
... heh, even PR wise, it even would be a good move: "Wow, we have 20 rats with 100+ rescues, this group is DEDICATED" *poking Kerenn*
... and it wouldn't even be a lie, just reality.
And anyone who has many assists also has many rescues, I am sure. So it just would be honour to those who have deserved it.
So ... why the squeak should we not?
EDIT A serious argument against assists came in at Reddit: A Rat stated that in his experience, such ranking aspects would spawn false calls of people just wanting to climb up the ladder -- so, calling fake jumps in this case: "Trust me. I have first hand experience in mischief on how people behave when things give even a slight hint of competitiveness and/or rank grind."
Of Course, this is the killing argument against a combined Total. Such wouldn't be ratty and must be avoided.
I think there's nothing wrong with having more Rats in the top tiers ...
... heh, even PR wise, it even would be a good move: "Wow, we have 20 rats with 100+ rescues, this group is DEDICATED" *poking Kerenn*
... and it wouldn't even be a lie, just reality.
And anyone who has many assists also has many rescues, I am sure. So it just would be honour to those who have deserved it.
So ... why the squeak should we not?
EDIT A serious argument against assists came in at Reddit: A Rat stated that in his experience, such ranking aspects would spawn false calls of people just wanting to climb up the ladder -- so, calling fake jumps in this case: "Trust me. I have first hand experience in mischief on how people behave when things give even a slight hint of competitiveness and/or rank grind."
Of Course, this is the killing argument against a combined Total. Such wouldn't be ratty and must be avoided.
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Blame google docs. When I came up with the original system for reporting, there was not a good option for variable numbers of fields. Rather than have a field "assists" that would be sub-parsed (because I knew people would put any old thing in it) I decided to just get it done with a single field.
Speaking of blame: the US Postal Service has changed its international customs form process to require use of an utterly horrible online app, which takes 5-10 minutes additional per package. Processing an order, picking inventory, boxing, padding, taping, labelling - it takes about 5-10 minutes already per package. So once a month I basically shoot an entire morning processing Fuel Rats loot. That's why responsiveness on the store is not like Amazon.com: we don't have underpaid Imperial slaves, we've got unpaid quartermaster-rats. If anyone complains about an order being slow, now you know why. Also, the New Zealand and Australian customs are the worst in the world: we have had no fewer than 4 packages to Australia go wandering and 2 to New Zealand. Ugh.
We are currently at about 1 dozen fuel scoops remaining in inventory, and a fair number of tshirts and PVC badges. I am thinking of letting the inventory drain and then shutting the store down. The alternative is to reduce the options and just have fuel scoops and not much else. I am trying to decide if I want to continue the loot-a-torium; it's more of a pain than I like dealing with. There are a substantial number of boxes of loot in my basement, though - if someone else wanted to be quartermaster, it'd cost a couple hundred bucks to relocate all this stuff, unless the inventory goes down.
Our scoop silkscreen provider has done an excellent job and our scoops are of legendary quality. For the Gen V scoop they have suggested a squared-off shape in battleship grey, it's quite lovely. I haven't decided if I'm going to do it, or not, yet. Minimum order is 48 and that's $900.
I actually have new items to update the store with but my password on our site appears to be locked... So I can't edit the store! R*tsignal!
Techratsignal! Trezy should have sent you a PM; doesn't seem like there's any problem with the account, but he can set you up with a password reset if needed.