Paladin Consortium - Betrayers and Opportunists or the NEW face of once proud faction

Greetings, Pilots!

You may have heard of this player group - Paladin Consortium — a proud fighters for safer Galaxy. Ones that help new pilots to be introduced to the world of Elite, without danger of them being killed by some mad griefer. Well, you've heard correct. Though your information is, apparantely, outdated. Let me explain why.

Two years ago — before Dangerous Games and before EG Pilots have grown to where we are now, before PC becoming protectors of the new pilots — there was a short conflict between EG Pilots and Paladin Consortium - relatively close neighbours. The real reasons for this conflict was unknown to us, well, until latests events. One day, our systems were openly attacked by PC pilots without any notice. An emergency council was established to understand the situation and prevent this conflict. I was the one to establish our very first diplomatic channel with another player group. After long, hard, and, sometimes, harsh discussions, we've finally understood what the reasons were.

Apparantely, the Paladin Consortium was suffering from long BGS disruptions from unknown source, which they were publishing over forums. One of our former pilots, who were expelled for malignant violating our community rules, have figured that arranging a fight between two player groups would be fun to look at, so he told PC that it's EGP — at that day a small BGS group of 3 controlled systems — was the reason of this attacks for all this long time. Though understandably furious, but nevertheless, hasty reaction of PC had followed. But we prefered the way of diplomacy and during our first ever diplomatic negotiations I had an honor to speak with commander Digitarry, a man I've considered reasonable and adequate, and even counted him among my first foreign friends...until today. We were seeking only peace with other player factions, we still were exploring BGS and it's features, and this conflict were ruining our expansion and thus we finally achieved the signing of our first dimplomatic treaty, the text of which I'm to present here, as well as denounce it, because of latest treacherous and deceitful actions of Paladin Consortium "leadership". This is an improved version of the agreement, signed following the implementation of "Retreat" mechanic in patch 2.1.

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After that we even helped PC against their BGS problems, sharing our knowledge of BGS and helping them where we could. After certain time we helped PC to make their first succesful expansion, despite the constant counteractions against them. Both our groups had a prosperous growth ever since, we were loayl to our agreements, as well as were Paladins.

The negotiation themselves, as I've mentioned earlier, were hard and harsh, one reason for it is that during "cease fire" time, the PC pilots usually didn't stop, and their leaders were not very eager to stop them. And so, recently, the new Paladins ' leadership have decided to show us how PC value their word and honor. Without any negotiations, despite the working dimplomatic channel, they have declared war on us, using false claims and lies, trying to make us look like agressors.

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There were no "dicsussion" with any officer of EGP about this "incident". There weren't any atempts from PC to settle this situation. After that Big Pappa hust disappeared like other Big P and didn't reply on anything. I was trying to contact the former leader of the PC - CMDR MARSHALL. He step down as a leader of Paladins long ago, but could help us stop this madness, using his authority of an Ex-Leader.. However, he was unsuccesfull, though he tried, as he said. And I intend to believe him. Digitarry, the former PC ambassador proved himself as a weak-willed person, who couldn't go against THE NEW course of his masters, no matter how utterly dispeakable and Crooked it is. So now you see the true face of the "Galactic protectors", the Paladins in shining armor — Opportunists, betrayers, vow-breakers and agressors.

I appeal to all true Paladins of the Consortium! I know, not everyone agree with that foolish conflict, some of you who does — were decieved. I now that, because your some of your pilots have contacted me on the matter, I know that, because a part of your ambassadors have left their roles and left the PC embassy, because of how dirty community they represent have become. Don't let these warmongering scoundrels to rule the roost in your group - fight them! Fight them, and we will put an end to this together.

This is not official stance of EG Pilots, and it was not sanctioned by the High Council, but I invoke my right of the Ambassador of EG Union, EG Pilots and Yuri Grom, the Prime Speaker of the High Council of Euryale and DENOUNCE all agreements and between EG Pilots and Paladin Consortium, due to impossibility to follow of the paragraphs of the treaty, because of unprovoked agression from Paladin COnsortium party. They were signed by my hand and by my hand I tear them to pieces. I would gladly sign a new agreement with Paladin Consortium, but not with this mob of ruffians. All current members of PC are now suspended from our Diplomatic server for incompetence and inability to fulfill their roles:

CMDR Big Pappa (Reason - refusing to communicate, incitement of war)
CMDR NordicLion (Reason - inactivity during diplomatic incident)
CMDR M.Grey (Reason - refusing to communicate).


I invite new PC leadership to join us, and work on a new agreement between EGP and PC - we're counting on you.
If EGP leadership decides that this actions are too hard — I will accept my Expulsion from my titles, because I do not want to be a guarantor for agreements that are not working and my duty and my job description suggestes the current course of actions.

Freedom Among the Stars!

With grief on my heart
Commander AL TARF
 
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Note since EGU likely was not aware of this, Big pappa the creater of palcon and PC, was using palcon to spy on any discord their bot was put in by using it to collect and record text logs from channels the bot was in. Anything he says needs to be taken with that massive grain of salt due to the sheer amount of badwill that represents.
 
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Well, that escalated quickly.

I'm the former ambassador that left the EGU embassy. My reason for being there was to advise on our expansions according to the agreement and attempt to clarify any misunderstandings. With the agreement being null and void, my presence there no longer had any purpose.

As far as my resigning from the Paladin leadership, I did that some time ago. It wasn't due to this war. I'm not a leader. I believe in a team of equals, rather than a team that's led from the top. My role as a BGS consultant fits me better than a leader in a hierarchical organization.

I haven't been in contact with anyone concerning this war and have only shared my views with my closest friends. I won't get into the politics of this.

Just wanted to clear that up in case more is being read into it.

As I said in the embassy, I wish the best for all involved.
 
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Dumb question, but isn't this sort of thing better kept to the Group Discussions section or similar? Feels more like group politics rather than anything to do directly with the BGS.
 
General Discussions comes to mind for me on something like this.

BGS is more of the technical know-how of what happens.
Dangerous Groups is for recruitment of PMFs and Groups.
Discussions are more for the drama.
 
Well, that escalated quickly.

I'm the former ambassador that left the EGU embassy. My reason for being there was to advise on our expansions according to the agreement and attempt to clarify any misunderstandings. With the agreement being null and void, my presence there no longer had any purpose.

As far as my resigning from the Paladin leadership, I did that some time ago. It wasn't due to this war. I'm not a leader. I believe in a team of equals, rather than a team that's led from the top. My role as a BGS consultant fits me better than a leader in a hierarchical organization.

I haven't been in contact with anyone concerning this war and have only shared my views with my closest friends. I won't get into the politics of this.

Just wanted to clear that up in case more is being read into it.

As I said in the embassy, I wish the best for all involved.

I do not blame you for starting this, nor for leaving the embassy. I do not condemn all of PC for the actions of some small internal group, but know this — this declaration of war was a stab in the back, the worst of a kind, and it was done by our longest ally by using false claims, lies and by trrying to make EGP look like agressors. BP didn't inform us about the incident, neither he tried to solve this by words. He just comes to our embassy, unloads a bunch of horsesh*t about how he talked with us about this and we didn't listen and then just ignores everything we write to him!

And when I come to Digitarry, asking for assistance with persuading PC pilots that this is all a big mistake - he just start to transfer the same horsesh*t from BP, doing nothing to help, and then speaking about all this same old PG crap and daring us to attack them. Well, I saw his own bump blown to dust by our pilot, which was caprtured on a video, I doubt it could happend from PG. All this iunsulting gibberish has really annoyed me even during our first diplomatic negotiations - now it's just plain stupid. Old fart wants to go to war? We'll go to war.

P.S. As for this thread being in a wrong place - I would like to ask moderators to move it to more appropriate place, if possible. Though I believe knowing how crooked and vow-breaking Paladins have become is an important part of BGS - these snakes will turn on you the very moment you dull vigilance.
 
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AL TARF is not telling the truth

Yeah, he probably is telling the truth, and EGU is not the first group that the leadership of Paladin Consortium have started a war with because they have gotten bored. What Al Tarf has posted sounds a lot like what happened between the Paladins and Ghost Legion. Its pretty sad when they do something like this, then lie about it to their members, just as they did with the Palcon bot. I'd also hope that their members who speak out against these needless wars and know they aren't right are also not threatened to be kicked and put on KOS lists, as they were after the Palcon bot was exposed for what it was. It's not like PC members are just brain dead, they can think for themselves, and if was such an innocent and amazingly useful IFF tool, a major staple of Paladin Consortuim itself, they why did it never come back online?

The Paladin Consortium was a great part of the community, one of the best groups out there to be a part of. Helping smaller player groups and new commanders defend themselves was the ideology that made Palcon great. Why throw that away and become part of the trash mobs of this great community? Do you not think that if you bully enough of your neighbors and break your alliances, you'll be left with nothing but enemies? What will you do when they've had enough of it and come together against you? After House Nemet fell apart and left, does Paladin Consortium really have the military power to fight them off? Have you the active players needed to keep your BGS from getting stomped?
For the members of Palcon leadership who read this and still have some sense of steering your group and its members in the right direction, please, stop the fighting and go back to the negotiating table. Don't ruin the years of hard work that you and your members have done. Don't destroy the good things that Paladin Consortium have accomplished.
 
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Well spoken! The fact that your statement has a lot in common with mine is something to consider for those who talking about lies. I completely agree on the old Palcon part, their cause was just once, there's no denying that.

And about this haps character - this is the snake I've been talking about in my post. The banned pilot. You really shouldn't speak with him, because he usually makes zero sence.
 
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I have very little interest in making a public show of our group's activity. It's undignified. However, given the nonsense that has been posted here, for whatever reason, I'll present you with the facts as we see them, and then leave you to reach your own conclusions should you want to.

Known facts:
1) In the early days of the Paladin BGS EGU actively suppressed our growth, operating entirely in PG to remain undetected. For six months every expansion effort was mysteriously blocked. Only when an ex EGU member enlightened us did we learn of EGU existence. When we attacked EGU systems all of a sudden they popped out of the woodwork, and came to the table to agree a treaty to stop standing on our throat. After that our BGS expanded without issue, proving the point.

2) EGU broke that treaty by not announcing expansions. They had what they wanted. They'd expanded all over our local space whilst they held us down, and now had a treaty to protect that. Paladin were now irrelevant to them.

3) We have reason to believe EGU are again affecting our BGS. They deny it. Because they operate purely in PG and Solo (whereas we are only operating in their systems in open, as per the treaty) we have no way of confirming.


We are a small group compared to EGU. We have almost no chance of affecting them. So our choice is to accept our BGS activity is being allowed/controlled by our massive neighbour, or fight a war we probably can't win, but at least know that we're doing the only thing we can.

That we have rocked the boat, started a war etc is absolutely true. What else was there to do? Accept the denials of a group who have previously been caught doing exactly what we think they're doing now, and sit there whilst they mess with us from the safety of their private group? What would you have done?

The Paladin remit is stand up in the face of injustice. We're not perfect at that by a long way. We're probably not even good at it. We don't have the capability to stop the best gankers, and we don't have the manpower to stop BGS bullies. But we try. In this instance it's EGU pushing us around, and we're doing what we can to stop them.

I tried speaking to our verbose friend in PM, suggesting he and I put some sort of revised agreement in place, let our members have fun battling in open for a while, and then close it all up neatly. I was met with arrogant abuse. Our ever so polite friend here is acting... Here's what you get when it's not on public display:

"I just can see that you are around with sneaky BP don't answering in our direct diplomatic channels like a ex-girlfriend. Tell this dumbass to come over to the embassy or I'll throw you morons out of the embassy"

That is the reason there are no discussions at present. Would you choose to spend your time talking to that?

So there you go. Like us, hate us, agree, disagree. We can only do what we think is right given the facts we can see. If EGU are able to come to us and be reasonable then we're more than happy to talk about it, and I extend the invitation to AlTarf to continue communicating with me as we have been on Discord but in a civil way. The last thing we want is an endless war where all we can do is ruin another group's fun. That's not what we'd choose to be doing at all!

I hope that gives some perspective on the other side of the story.

Fly safe CMDRs

Digitarry.
PalCon.
 
Considering that I have no experience with Paladin Consortium, it would be hard for me to comment on the drivers behind this conflict.


What I will say is that my experience with AL TARF shows him to be worthy of trust, and I feel the same about EG. The ZYADA treaty has been in force for over a year and I believe that Grom has held to the treaty to the letter, consistently showing their regard for their own word, even when they could have gained advantage by moving beyond it.
 
But you admit that you started this conflict based on suspicion. If your experience with AL TARF and EGU was the same as mine, why the suspicion?

Your experience with EGU is not the same as mine - unless you watched your BGS loving friends ripping their hair out for six months wondering why none of their influence building methods seemed to work once influence rose towards the magic 75%. I do not need to be shown that EGU can be inclined to undermine someone's BGS whilst snivelling in private group. I have six months experience and a war to get them to the table that proves it. Are you surprised that if we find we are repeatedly thwarted in our efforts it reminds us of the earlier EGU hostility?

Because they like to attack empty systems by hiding in PG, there can never be a point we know for sure they're doing it. They can deny it and announce that they're the victims of been attacked by a much smaller group... Given that they hide, we'll never have 100% proof... When would you have said enough's enough and decided to do what little there is to do? Should we wait six months like the first time?

Our pilots have ONLY operated in EGU systems in open because this is a game, and we welcome the entertainment of enemy encounters. I can't prove that Onnes Gateway is being UA bombed by EGU - because the cowards that are doing it are in PG. That's the lack of class we've come to expect. Our pilots were told from the start not to UA bomb EGU, and will continue not to.


Al Tarf may know nothing about these things, or he may know all about them. My door remains open. I'd like to think his outburst to me was a lapse, and we can sort things out as we have once before.
 
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Greetings.
I am a part of leadership from EG Pilots and Yuri Grom.

Dear Digitarry.
Could you answer by one question. Paladin Consortium is so small and little-known community that you know every your foe by name? The paradox is that at least for the past year there have been no conflicts or points of misunderstanding between EG Pilots and Paladin Consortium. As far as I personally remember, we had quite a peaceful existence during this past year.
So if you suddenly do not know the answer to my question, maybe you will be able to answer another. Since when do You blame Us exclusively for your troubles?
 
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