PC reccommendation - will this do?
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Ok final roll of the dice before I commit, as you can tell my PC hardware knowledge is zip.
I'm looking here as recommended:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-PC-Customiser/Desktop-PC-Intel-Core-i5-/_i.html?_fsub=5476508014
Which box should I buy for £600? I'm going to go with what's recommended today at that price and have scd together an extra £100 for the box.
Thanks
I'm looking here as recommended:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-PC-Customiser/Desktop-PC-Intel-Core-i5-/_i.html?_fsub=5476508014
Which box should I buy for £600? I'm going to go with what's recommended today at that price and have scd together an extra £100 for the box.
Thanks
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This will run ED beautifully and would cost you less than £500 to build. Like POIDSLY said; You'll always get people saying "Oh no, buy Intel, buy Nvidia, spend £1000" but you're on a budget, and when you're trying to build a good rig, with a budget, Intel and Nvidia are the polar opposite of what you should be looking at.
Budget builds use AMD, and I challenge anyone to build a better Intel based system for under £500. This will obliterate any sub £500 Intel rigs with ease...
As for Windows. Well, there's plenty of places you can pick up a copy of Windows 7 or 8 for next to "nothing"
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Listen to this guy. Especially for his wise preface. Dont overspend on sth you dont need.
Said by me, PC owner since 1991.
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This is also a very good, while still cheap, advice. Notice that gfx card is almost 25% of budget, and that everything is not latest generation, while still giving decent performance. This is key for being in budget.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-i5-...Mhz-1TB-GTX770-2GB-Gaming-PC-VB-/191258769305
I still recommend the build I put up over it as for 50ish quid more it's probably about 40% better.
I still recommend the build I put up over it as for 50ish quid more it's probably about 40% better.
The game stutters with an i7 and the fastest SSD you can buy.
It's not the hardware that's the problem. There's nothing in this game, graphically, network, or memory-wise that should make it perform as poorly as it does. No other persistent multiplayer online game I've ever played, in the past 20 years, has performed as poorly (relative to current hardware at the time) as E|D does, today.
Seriously.. it's a skybox, and it takes 30% GPU to render? How did that get past QA? The optimization in this game is horrific. Terrible. Embarrassing.
My recommendation? Save your money. However, if you really want to proceed, some things to keep in mind:
No single threaded 32 bit process is going to consume more than 2-4GB. 32GB is a colossal waste, unless you're running an esxi host (multiple VM's), as is more than 4 cores. (most games are still 32 bit)
People say "but but but, all the extra memory is used for caaaaaaache". Yeah, and you know what happens when more than 8GB is allocated to cache? Context switches push DPC latency above 500μs. Not a good thing.
Spinning disks shouldn't even be on the shelves any more, and any new motherboard you buy should have at least one M.2 interface. (yes, SATA3 SSD , 500MB/sec r/w, 20k+ IOPS/sec is OLD/SLOW, now)
1080p is less resolution than monitors from 2005. Start at 1900x1200 or better yet 2560x1440, and your eyes will be happy. Also, In-Plane-Switching (IPS) is a must, as is LED backlighting. Anything less, the monitor is junk by today's standards.
TL;DR: i5, M.2, 16GB max, current-sweet-spot video card, IPS 1900x1200 as a minimum, and you'll be fine.
Great, thanks.
Out of interest I found this:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1738-elite-dangerous-gpu-benchmark-4k-fps
Out of interest I found this:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1738-elite-dangerous-gpu-benchmark-4k-fps
I've read that. A bit scary that 3 of the video cards can't even sustain 60fps AVG, and almost all have a minimum lower than 60.
I'm not sure how anyone would translate that into "is well optimized". It sure doesn't fit any optimized category I've ever seen.
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At 1440p, all devices suffer from a large and immediate performance drop. We tested with SMAA and 4xMLAA, both of which yielded similar results (read: performance difference within 10 frames) despite the significantly increased pixel count.
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Unlike our experience in Far Cry 4, frame tearing was GPU-agnostic and prevalent throughout Elite: Dangerous and on all devices. We imagine this will only be resolved with game patches going forward. The display will also occasionally exhibit a noticeable “vertical scan” upward as frames are drawn, resulting in a somewhat displeasing gaming experience. We hope that the Elite: Dangerous team can patch this up shortly.
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Those issues have been around since Beta2. They're not going away any time soon.
Looks like a shill article, tbh.
I've read that. A bit scary that 3 of the video cards can't even sustain 60fps AVG, and almost all have a minimum lower than 60.
I'm not sure how anyone would translate that into "is well optimized". It sure doesn't fit any optimized category I've ever seen.
Sli doesn't work by stacking the performance. You don't add a 2nd card and get twice the power as one it's more like 10-20% performance increase per extra card if you're lucky. 3 980s are like 1 980 with 30% extra performance.
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I got a Dell T5400 Quad 3GHz 16Gb RAM off ebay refurbished for about £350 and got the Nvidia GTX970. The Xeons do just as well as those i5 & i7 on benchmarks as you'll still be better off getting a graphics card anyway (which the latter chips do onboard).
Best to put in a new huge Black Western Digital drive though.
Best to put in a new huge Black Western Digital drive though.
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I was going to tell you that local shops are overpriced, at least where I'm at. Yeah that CPU is junk. This is not a perfect ratings system, but it's the best list I know of to see the most valuable parts/$$. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html That CPU is listed at $232. (old out of date parts are overpriced) It is priced the same as the AMD FX-9590, which is twice as powerful! My guess is they were selling you an old used CPU they have laying around.
Those lists educate you to what your buying. Also check the other parts lists to compare graphics card chips or whatever.
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Don't feel bad op...
I'm running low graphics all round on my...
AND A8-6500 APU with Radeon HD Graphics 3.50 Ghz.
6 GB (5.19 usable)
64-bit OS, 64 - based processor.
WIN 8.1
I plan to upgrade soon, saving like mad (2 months if time allows)... but don't expect much change from £1200+ from what I've seen.
I'm running low graphics all round on my...
AND A8-6500 APU with Radeon HD Graphics 3.50 Ghz.
6 GB (5.19 usable)
64-bit OS, 64 - based processor.
WIN 8.1
I plan to upgrade soon, saving like mad (2 months if time allows)... but don't expect much change from £1200+ from what I've seen.
What? Elite runs fine. You are telling him to start at 1440, on his budget? Everybody has their preference. Some say 1080p is great (what I use for now). Some say 1440 is perfect. Some say they must have 4k. Some 4k guys are drooling over 8k. It's a never ending rabbit hole only for the rich or foolish. He knows nothing about pcs. Let him get his mid level system, and see if this is even a hobby he wants to continue...much less chase the latest and greatest.
edit: I want this monitor, or something like it: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb270hu.htm It's coming out in a month or 2, and is going to be probably $800, and is going to take a graphics card that's not out yet to run it right. That's going to be another $700 MINIMUM. Sure a GTX 980 can run it now, but when you're talking 144hz, 1440p with g-sync, you want the best you can get. $$$
Now if you really want to spend more money, look at this 34" coming near the end of the year: http://www.overclock.net/t/1537403/...r-xr341ck-34-curved-gaming-screen-with-g-sync
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Agreed.
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A good gaming rig is for variety in the gaming world, which many low priced machines out there simply won't cut mustard. I feel that for myself; I need to upgrade because several other games I want to play carry requirements which cannot guarantee good smooth play, with er... better graphical settings on my machine . Plus there's Oculus...
I have time to research. To many times I went to meet the same specs... and regretted it.
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Recommendations...
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I'm only running a G3240 Pentium and an old HD5670 GFX, it runs fine ( not on the highest settings of course) but if you are on a budget it's a reasonably cheap setup and performs adequately.
op, check this:
at the moment i made this, 727€ = 530£
choosen 1x8Go RAM, this would allow you to update it later since you would have a spare slot
should be at least 3x better than what you had first.
also this is not the cheapst retailer, you may find better deals on those components.
i would also consider a SSD, this would boost the system big time
at the moment i made this, 727€ = 530£
choosen 1x8Go RAM, this would allow you to update it later since you would have a spare slot
should be at least 3x better than what you had first.
also this is not the cheapst retailer, you may find better deals on those components.
i would also consider a SSD, this would boost the system big time
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I would recommend a Coolermaster HAF case, they go well with elite because it looks like a space station and weighs a lot, the thick metal dissipates heat very well.
I have a small budget of £500 for a new PC.
Is this going to be sufficient to play at a decent (non-stuttering) level?:
stand alone gpu much better than low spec chipset. any stuttering you have is down to your fps on a low spec system( restrict it to 45fps or less how much it needs to be restricted is down to your specs) it solved my stuttering, stuttering with sli setup and single gpu. NVidia you can use the likes of NVidia inspector/precision x.. AMD use AMD OverDrive/ catalyst control centre..
while the HAF is a rather good case, let's remember OP wants a budget comp, and a 90€ case doesn't really fit.
plus with the components on this price range, there no really heat issues to begin with
a RC-342 with the (included) front FAN + PSU fan should be enought, at worst a 90mm fan is worth 10€ and the case can use 2 of them (back extracting and side intake), this would be plenty for a i5 and a 750Ti
at worst, should OP feel the cooling might not be enought, a RC-335u would do the job for a really slight price increase
plus with the components on this price range, there no really heat issues to begin with
a RC-342 with the (included) front FAN + PSU fan should be enought, at worst a 90mm fan is worth 10€ and the case can use 2 of them (back extracting and side intake), this would be plenty for a i5 and a 750Ti
at worst, should OP feel the cooling might not be enought, a RC-335u would do the job for a really slight price increase
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OMG after reading through this thread... I dare not tell you what I play ED on HIGH settings on... apparently it is probably too old a piece of hardware yet for some strange reason for the most part it plays ALL my games including ED just fine (as long as I dun mind a little stuttering during hyperspace)