People using hacks

[Distance]

The worst thing though is the paranoia it spreads. A lot of people won't play open due to the perception that there are hacks out there. The online open community is leaving in droves due to combat logging and other exploits.

Regardless of how good 1.3 is if they don't start sorting out the exploits and hacks then open is going to be dead on pc by the time the xbox version is out. That's not even scare mongering that's the perception of someone who's played for 850 hours in open.

 

[Ian Phillips]

The online open community is leaving in droves due to combat logging and other exploits.

Could you actually quantify "Droves" ? One? Ten? 100? 1000? 100,000?

 

[Distance]

Could you actually quantify "Droves" ? One? Ten? 100? 1000? 100,000?

I had about 50 people I played with for the first month of release I've only seen 2 from that original 50 online in the past month.

Most people I talk to in game talk about quitting. There's tons of threads on reddit and this forum about exploits and hacks and they're growing everyday.

Most of the online traders have started using the beacon exploit and there's numerous "fan sites" and groups dedicated to just doing this so there's less traders in open meaning less pirates and then less bounty hunters which is why people are talking about quitting, it's a knock on effect.

The credit sellers using a bug that's been around from beta are now filling up all the bounty boards with advertisements for their services is another slap in the face to the community when everyone can see it happening on a daily basis, the names are right there! But no comment from fd yet again.

I love the game don't get me wrong but these are serious issues with zero feedback from fd. When they commented on combat logging it helped but 2 months later it's rife and there's still no word from fd. There's tons of videos of players doing it and people laughing about doing it on the forum with no repercussions. To players in open who play a lot it's incredibly disheartening.

 

[Ericlas]

I had about 50 people I played with for the first month of release I've only seen 2 from that original 50 online in the past month.

Most people I talk to in game talk about quitting. There's tons of threads on reddit and this forum about exploits and hacks and they're growing everyday.

Most of the online traders have started using the beacon exploit and there's numerous "fan sites" and groups dedicated to just doing this so there's less traders in open meaning less pirates and then less bounty hunters which is why people are talking about quitting, it's a knock on effect.

The credit sellers using a bug that's been around from beta are now filling up all the bounty boards with advertisements for their services is another slap in the face to the community when everyone can see it happening on a daily basis, the names are right there! But no comment from fd yet again.

I love the game don't get me wrong but these are serious issues with zero feedback from fd. When they commented on combat logging it helped but 2 months later it's rife and there's still no word from fd. There's tons of videos of players doing it and people laughing about doing it on the forum with no repercussions. To players in open who play a lot it's incredibly disheartening.

You are absolutely right.
I cannot comment on your numbers, but right now there are multiple and easy ways to make TONS of credits in no time.
I saw a Youtube video yesterday of a CMDR who made it to 1.8bn credits lately and claiming he has on top every ship ingame bought, outfitted and stored away.
Asked about how, he hints to one of the exploits mentioned above.


ps. please don't let this evolve into a discussion about what to with the money then and how gameplay is affected, there are already enough of those threads.

 

[xyphic]

It clearly is intended behaviour because the devs have stated that they coded it this way. Another placeholder rather than shield regeneration working at a normal rate in supercruise. This didn't matter before Wings but now it does. They do need to make a call because right now it's ambiguous, but more importantly if they are going to label it as an exploit then they should do so to stop people from abusing it so freely.

I hadn't seen (or at least don't recall) the devs stating that. Assuming they did, it's disappointing, but common sense would still tell me not to exploit it.

 

[TheoZ]

So there was an Orca in leesti just now, I cant name him , he boosted away from my FDL at a rate of 1 kilometer per second. my FDL can catch anything not a clipper or cobra. Frontier I put a ticket in, please ban this guy, he was elite combat rank too, Hacks are so easy to obtain in this game, please address this in powerplay.

My orca has boost speed 435, and can boost every 3 secs.
You still consider that guy hacked?

 

[Ericlas]

My orca has boost speed 435, and can boost every 3 secs.
You still consider that guy hacked?

Please read through the thread, before asking this, as your question has already been answered.

 

[jgm]

I hadn't seen (or at least don't recall) the devs stating that. Assuming they did, it's disappointing, but common sense would still tell me not to exploit it.

Well there's been a dev response in another thread on this topic stating that they do see it as an exploit, which is a good thing

They didn't state that they would punish the exploiters, though, which is a shame. Still no point attempting to engage anyone flying in a wing.

 

[excalibus]

Indeed FDev have come out and stated that they know about the shield regen exploit and that it is an exploit in their view - in the thread lonewarrior started asking for FDev to clarify the situation with regards to that...

Further to that, in the same thread they mention they are also aware of the wing beacon trade exploit and that is not intended use, they have found where the issue that allows the trade beacon exploit to work is and that they are working on a fix but no ETA on that, so one could also read that using the beacon travel exploit for instant travel of trade routes is another exploit they are aware of...

back OT, if the OP posted FDev the video showing the problem with the Orca at least then they can try and sort out what might have happened and also be able to keep a closer eye on that particular player

 

[Kondensat]

i agree with "Distance"

its disheartening....specially that FD takes NO action at all, after their posting about the combat log exploit.
that is not helping in building trust to the game in general, when such things are not handled quick.....

on the other hand.....what shall they do? ban 50% of their players to solo?! yes....i think this combat logging is so common......just watch a pirate-stream on twitch. more than half just log off....
2 months silence about this.....really FD?!

but to be honest......my ingame char is targeted pretty often by "griefers"....happened not only once, that i faced 3-6 enemies at once....and when i realize they use the beacon-exploit i will either jump
systems or (when i cannot) will log off in future also.....
they ruin my day by exploiting, so will do i then

i cannot count all the morons that logged off in front of my guns already.....still flying in open play.....why should i not use it then also?!

FD does not care

 

[excalibus]

with regards to combat logging, the issue is not people who log off through the normal game system... That is working as implemented and is probably partly why FDev have not commented much on that...

What they do claim is against the game intent and is reportable as an exploit is someone performing a logoffski technique that is not through the games logoff system.

Personally I think logging off at any time regardless of when and where as long as its through the in game system is fine, its when people deliberatly drop connection or endtask the client that I feel is exploiting things.

 

[Bigcheese]

It's a p2p game, anyone can cheat if they really want to. Elite can pretend it's an mmo, but it's nowhere close. Enjoy the cheats, they won't be going anywhere.

 

[Serpentstar]

I do think it's funny that some players are concerned with Open players leaving in "droves". What does it matter to you if people choose to play in solo or private groups? I, for one, have never played in open (except by mistake which I quickly remedied). The sole reason for this is because FD chose to have Player ships show differently than NPC one's.

I feel that FD should have left it where it was impossible to tell an NPC from a PC without a full KWS scan. This would have resulted in many more people playing in open and far fewer solo pilots.

Considering I backed this game for the sole purpose of the offline mode, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I will never see any other player aside from those I specifically choose to group with and you will never see me as you will probably not be in my group.

Next moaner please...

 

[kurush]

I do think it's funny that some players are concerned with Open players leaving in "droves". What does it matter to you if people choose to play in solo or private groups? I, for one, have never played in open (except by mistake which I quickly remedied). The sole reason for this is because FD chose to have Player ships show differently than NPC one's.

I also find it funny and couldn't care less because as yourself I backed the game for the offline mode exclusively. The same radar signal won't really change much and I am not sure why it keeps being suggested. There is now chat in the game and you have to behave really like an AI pilot to be not recognized as a human. Turing test anyone?

 

[Distance]

I do think it's funny that some players are concerned with Open players leaving in "droves". What does it matter to you if people choose to play in solo or private groups? I, for one, have never played in open (except by mistake which I quickly remedied). The sole reason for this is because FD chose to have Player ships show differently than NPC one's.

I feel that FD should have left it where it was impossible to tell an NPC from a PC without a full KWS scan. This would have resulted in many more people playing in open and far fewer solo pilots.

Considering I backed this game for the sole purpose of the offline mode, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I will never see any other player aside from those I specifically choose to group with and you will never see me as you will probably not be in my group.

Next moaner please...

Well you backed for offline/solo and I backed for online/open like a lot of other people. I play open because I find the ai laughable and I wouldn't be playing if it wasn't for the interaction I get with other players. Less players in open means the players who bought the game for open aren't going to stick around which means less customers for fd to market skins/expansions to.

 

[Nate 'Redfox' Roache]

ok, let's do this.

op's video is 30fps,

here is a cut, from the 2nd boost, using 30 frames playing at 4 fps

tldr, this translate in 1 second of real time:

starting distance: 4.04 km
ending distance: 4.58 km

so orca gained 540m in one second (speed is a bit less than 540m/s actually since op's speed bleed from 400 to 380m/s)

video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkb5ahUdMLA

check it yourself, download op's vid, get it into avidemux or whatever video editing software you like and check it frame by frame, the speed is not normal whatever circumstance.

assuming everyone added the 'unnamed' from the video to black list? lol.

 

[micky1984]

So there was an Orca in leesti just now, I cant name him , he boosted away from my FDL at a rate of 1 kilometer per second. my FDL can catch anything not a clipper or cobra. Frontier I put a ticket in, please ban this guy, he was elite combat rank too, Hacks are so easy to obtain in this game, please address this in powerplay.

got any proof of that incident ? NO thought so players who cry hack always overembellish the incident without proof it never happened

 

[Smiffoo]

There must be a way out of here? "Said the joker to the thief"

 

[aRtFuL]

It's a p2p game, anyone can cheat if they really want to. Elite can pretend it's an mmo, but it's nowhere close. Enjoy the cheats, they won't be going anywhere.

I don't think Elite EVER pretended to be an mmo.

It is the mmo people that comes in to play Elite THINKING that it is an mmo.

It is just a space sim, people.

 

[Kayweg]

I don't think Elite EVER pretended to be an mmo.

It is the mmo people that comes in to play Elite THINKING that it is an mmo.

It is just a space sim, people.

It was advertised as an MMO in several places on official FD pages, the store being one of them.

I'm not saying that it is or should be an MMO, but it wasn't people making that up....just for the record.