People who use a HOTAS setup with a non-twistable stick, what do you use for yaw?

[jayf95]

I have a thrustmaster t1600m and TWCS throttle. The t1600m has unfortunately developed the twist/yaw axis potentiometer issue it's notorious for (phantom yaw inputs). So now yaw on twist is unusable. The TWCS has a scroll wheel on it that I've now binded yaw to. Its a bit difficult to get used to but works ok for now. I know some sticks dont have a twist axis, so to those of you who use them (or other t1600m users with this issue), what do you bind yaw to? Note that I'm not interested in pedals.

Also, I may be able to get a used saitek x52 (original) for $90cad. Is this a good deal? (the ad says its only been used twice and are selling because they dont have time for it). Is there any use for a second throttle you can think of?

thanks

 

[Alec Turner]

Does the T1600m have anolog paddles on the back of the throttle unit? I wonder if those would work for yaw?

 

[WeComeInPeace]

I have an X52, but back when I started playing ED I also bought a set of Thrustmaster rudder pedals. That works, but I went back to using stick yaw, because it worked a lot better for me to twist my wrist than moving both my feet more like both legs). It's probably great for pilots, and if I ever buy a Piper Cup I will probably appreciate the controls, but not in a spaceship. Purely my 5 cent, and I know others disagree (those are most certainly pilots ).

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

if I were you id rebind to the hat fa now (don't need analogue for yaw) and put what you have there like pips someplace else

 

[Fnord Velkor]

I flew for years with a CHPro Fighterstick - no twist axis - I used the pinky button as a press-to-hold "YAW to ROLL" - thus the x-axis gives a yaw control instead of roll when the button is held pressed. If you have a button you can substitute for the CHPro's pinky button then you can use that method.

Of course with the TWCS Throttle you have a paddle that can be used for yaw don't you?

 

[Pville_Piper]

I have the T1600m as my joystick and never used the twist on it. I highly recommend getting some rudder pedals. The VKB MKIV are awesome and have a very small footprint under the desk and are built like a tank. I had the Thrustmaster T-Flight pedals, and they were a big improvement over the twist or using the TWCS paddles. Moving up to the VKB pedals was a huge improvement over the Thrustmaster pedals, the control you have is amazing.

You can read more of my thoughts here VKB pedals, I hope this helps. I also replaced my TWCS throttle with an VKB Omni throttle so I could use them in a HOSAS setup. The biggest challenge is relearning 6 years of muscle memory that I had developed with the TWCS throttle. The VKB Omni throttle is a really good, well built and thought-out piece of kit.

 

[Screemonster]

Does the T1600m have anolog paddles on the back of the throttle unit? I wonder if those would work for yaw?

I tried that for a while when my t16000m had yaw problems, it's.... passable. Better than not having yaw at all. Barely.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

When the twist on both my T16000 and HOTASX went wonky i switched to the paddles on the throttle, it worked quite well.

 

[jayf95]

if I were you id rebind to the hat fa now (don't need analogue for yaw) and put what you have there like pips someplace else

That's a good idea! I hadn't thought about using the hat switch for rudder.

 

[jayf95]

When the twist on both my T16000 and HOTASX went wonky i switched to the paddles on the throttle, it worked quite well.

I've tried that before and it worked reasonably well. I currently have boost and reverse thrust to the paddles but I can remap them. Do you know of any way to map reverse throttle to the scroll wheel on the throttle?

 

[jayf95]

I have the T1600m as my joystick and never used the twist on it. I highly recommend getting some rudder pedals. The VKB MKIV are awesome and have a very small footprint under the desk and are built like a tank. I had the Thrustmaster T-Flight pedals, and they were a big improvement over the twist or using the TWCS paddles. Moving up to the VKB pedals was a huge improvement over the Thrustmaster pedals, the control you have is amazing.

You can read more of my thoughts here VKB pedals, I hope this helps. I also replaced my TWCS throttle with an VKB Omni throttle so I could use them in a HOSAS setup. The biggest challenge is relearning 6 years of muscle memory that I had developed with the TWCS throttle. The VKB Omni throttle is a really good, well built and thought-out piece of kit.

I'm not opposed to pedals, just feel like itd be more work. I actually do have a set of pedals from a racing wheel I could try out though.

 

[jayf95]

I flew for years with a CHPro Fighterstick - no twist axis - I used the pinky button as a press-to-hold "YAW to ROLL" - thus the x-axis gives a yaw control instead of roll when the button is held pressed. If you have a button you can substitute for the CHPro's pinky button then you can use that method.

Of course with the TWCS Throttle you have a paddle that can be used for yaw don't you?

I was thinking about using yaw to roll but I like to be able to simultaneously control both yaw and roll. I might try the paddles on the throttle though thanks

 

[Sysmon]

My X-55/-X56 units both broke the spring for the Z axis. So I ended up using yaw-into-roll and just yaw'ed really slowly...

S

 

[Pville_Piper]

I'm not opposed to pedals, just feel like itd be more work. I actually do have a set of pedals from a racing wheel I could try out though.

Not sure what you mean more work... I took to them really quick.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I've tried that before and it worked reasonably well. I currently have boost and reverse thrust to the paddles but I can remap them. Do you know of any way to map reverse throttle to the scroll wheel on the throttle?

No idea i'm afraid. With the 16000 since it doesn't have a center zero on the throttle i used full range for forward and button to toggle it to reverse.

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

once mus mem sets in as with any good fully functional method of control
you will be looking at what your doing on screen 97 % of the time anyways increasing as the threat level rises slightly
only taking brief glimpses at them...……..
and only taking longer if something is wrong
as Darwin said it's our adaptability to change that makes us survivalists
that's human behaviour for you
control of external devices becoming an extension of the self to a degree like a spear
so weather its a hotas ,xbox pad or jus kbm you should adapt quite well given time to do so

 

[Fnord Velkor]

Not sure what you mean more work... I took to them really quick.

When I first started playing Elite Dangerous I used my CHPro Rudder pedals for yaw. When after a week or so I went back online in flight simulator I crashed so often that the controllers on VATSIM must have started a drinking game. Needless to say, that is when I started using the Yaw to Roll button in Elite. It was amazing just how quickly my muscle memory was lost for co-ordinated flight in an aeroplane. If you don't fly flight simulators then there is no problem but honestly, I would have had to reduce realism settings in the sims if I kept rudder pedals for yaw in Elite.

 

[Morbad]

Does the T1600m have anolog paddles on the back of the throttle unit? I wonder if those would work for yaw?

Yes and yes, but I found it awkward to use with the ministick under the index finger.

 

[Crank Larson]

The Turtlebeach VelocityOne Flight Stick is a great replacement stick. I replaced my X56 stick with that one (still use the X56 throttle), and the difference in accuracy is significant (the Turtlebeach has contactless sensors, and a whole load of other neat features).

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

"control is an illusion lunch time doubly so" hic or when the rum is gone...…………..
( so don't forget your peanuts & towel and whatever you do DON'T PANIC!)