That means that you and all your wingmates/enemies are lucky to have good internet access. That's not the case for a lot of us.
Petition To Allow CMDRs To Join Multiple Squadrons
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That means that you and all your wingmates/enemies are lucky to have good internet access. That's not the case for a lot of us.
Arguendo
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And I completely understand that. My point is that allowing people to join several squadrons would not be preferable for me, and people I play with, both from our own perspective but also when considering the people we fight against.
That is why I proposed a middle route a few pages back; Communities for big events/cross-player-group activities, and alliances between squadrons. You keep your own squadron tags, but achieve the benefit of alligning yourself (or your group) with other squadrons.
PS: And I disagree that I play the game like a traditional PvP MMO. It's not CoD in space for me, even if I am active in the PvP part of it
Arguendo
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Our biggest issue is CTDs tbh. Yes we get some lag here and there, but nothing that isn't atleast manageable. Trying to bring more than 16 people into an instance is the real problem. The CTD issue seems to have gotten worse since 3.0 as well, for some reason
Yes, having one main squadron slot and one temporary slot would probably be the best compromise. It would work for people who want to do their wargames, and still allow for things like the fuel rats and "one side of a CG"-wide squadrons to exist.
I'd sign on to support Main and Secondary squadron memberships. It'd be good to be aligned to a permanent faction support group, but still be part of a non-faction group or groups, such as a racing team. If I was in the military reserves I wouldn't need to quit just so I could play tabletop games at a local store during leave.
Plus if you're a squadron of 1 just to support your desired faction, you lose the group if you leave it to go racing casually, or you just can't use the datacomm tools for the racing team stuff. There should be a method to sign on to other groups for temporary purposes or in the interest of being part of a larger group with common goals such as a miner's association or a humanitarian initiative.
I'm not really sure if there should be true multi-alignment or if the Secondaries require any restrictions to prevent weird situations. Feel free to suggest on this suggestion.
Plus if you're a squadron of 1 just to support your desired faction, you lose the group if you leave it to go racing casually, or you just can't use the datacomm tools for the racing team stuff. There should be a method to sign on to other groups for temporary purposes or in the interest of being part of a larger group with common goals such as a miner's association or a humanitarian initiative.
I'm not really sure if there should be true multi-alignment or if the Secondaries require any restrictions to prevent weird situations. Feel free to suggest on this suggestion.
Pretty sure there was no mention of declarations of war in the live stream, was there?
Ensure you are talking about Elite when making comments.
I was talking about elite but you are correct there is no mention of diplomacy right now, however a subset of the one faction per commander are desperate for diplomacy hence their insistence on not having multiple factions. I was merely countering that many of us have no interest in inter faction wars and have no interest in seeing the game move in that direction.
I should point out that my interest in all this is mainly that i want to keep an eye on 2 PMFs and the current system only allows you to 'pledge' to one. Why not just allow Squadrons to pledge to multiple factions? We'll that's an option but i prefer the ability to be in multiple squadrons than having multiple pledges.
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(The following is based on the idea that ED's "Squadrons" are going to be like other MMO's "Guilds". I haven't actually watched the stream...)
If I can be a member of 5 guilds in Guild Wars 2, then I'd like to be a member of at least two squadrons (Primary and Secondary) in ED. Multi-guilding has been a thing in some MMOs for a while now. Can't name any others off the top of my head, but I know I've played others that had that feature, and they've almost always used a Primary and Secondary system. The Primary guild is the one the character would represent (Nametags, contribute to leaderboards, rep, etc). The Secondary guilds wouldn't get such things, but you could still use the guild chat, bank, etc.
(The following is based on the idea that ED's "Squadrons" are going to be like other MMO's "Guilds". I haven't actually watched the stream...)
If I can be a member of 5 guilds in Guild Wars 2, then I'd like to be a member of at least two squadrons (Primary and Secondary) in ED. Multi-guilding has been a thing in some MMOs for a while now. Can't name any others off the top of my head, but I know I've played others that had that feature, and they've almost always used a Primary and Secondary system. The Primary guild is the one the character would represent (Nametags, contribute to leaderboards, rep, etc). The Secondary guilds wouldn't get such things, but you could still use the guild chat, bank, etc.
Let's say you can join upto five Squadrons, but only one Powerplay/Faction etc type Squadron? Seems like a logical mechanic? Enough so you don't have to whine about people simply asking to join more than just one Squadron for logical reasons?
Besides, the squadron leader has to approve the membership I think, so why not let the system show what squadrons you belong to. If the applicant seems suspicious, don't approve.
I'm conflicted.
I can see the benefits of a single squadron membership when pledged to a PMF. in that case it is a competitive organisation with other pmfs and their pledged squadrons.
I can also see the benefits of multiple squadron membership when those squadrons are not pledged to a PMF.
The real deciding factor for all of us will be if FDev ever design gameplay where your squadron membership matters. The BGS is currently transactional, so you have to hand in bonds, and missions etc to influence the bgs. (and you can do that for your pledged PMF or anyone else... which opens up interesting issues ) If the BGS responded to activities a commander undertook just because he was a member of a squadron, then that makes multiple squadrons very complex.
I think we need to see where FDev intend to go with this.
In the meantime my personal position is I'd join one squadron pledged to a PMF.
I can see the benefits of a single squadron membership when pledged to a PMF. in that case it is a competitive organisation with other pmfs and their pledged squadrons.
I can also see the benefits of multiple squadron membership when those squadrons are not pledged to a PMF.
The real deciding factor for all of us will be if FDev ever design gameplay where your squadron membership matters. The BGS is currently transactional, so you have to hand in bonds, and missions etc to influence the bgs. (and you can do that for your pledged PMF or anyone else... which opens up interesting issues ) If the BGS responded to activities a commander undertook just because he was a member of a squadron, then that makes multiple squadrons very complex.
I think we need to see where FDev intend to go with this.
In the meantime my personal position is I'd join one squadron pledged to a PMF.
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AP Birdman
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As a mainly solo player I don't much care for squadrons, but I'd be more likely to get involved in sqaudrons if I wasn't restricted to using one exclusively at any time.
Would you display a list of them or just the one in your target info, and if just the one how would you choose ?.
Exactly.
But isn't the point of having in games 'social' tools to keep people in game rather than having to use 3rd party tools? If the answer is discord then i should change my 'petition' to asking FDev to cancel squadrons all together because we already had the answer and don't need them. Stop wasting precious dev time on features nobody wants because we already have the answer in discord.
Oh and i couldn't care less (personal opinion) about tags so for me i'd be happy if there wasn't as tag to show at all, i don't care if people know who i fly for and i certainly don't care who other people fly for. I want to use the social tools in game to keep in contact with multiple groups.
What petition?
Let the squadrons roll out then see where we are at.
Preemptive whinging ain't cool.