Aren't we talking about something else though? Pirates are not greavers, this is clear. Greavers are few and far between, this is the point I'm trying to make. Open is not 'PvP' mode. I've played probably more than 75% of CMDR's, all in Open, and have NEVER, EVER NOT ONCE been griefed. My PvP experience is pretty much limited to 3 encounters. Once in CZ, once I interdicted a Wanted CMDR, and once I blew up a station rammer outside of George Lucas.
Open is not PvP mode at all. I'm trying real hard to make this abundantly clear so that all these people reading threads and posts by someone who happened to get popped once by some jerk, don't think Open is all PvP. I guess I'm failing at this task...
And you're not the only one trying to make your point of view abundantly clear. There are scores of posters at it in hundreds, thousands, of posts. While there are scores of posters who have a different point of view trying to make their, equally self-evident, opinion abundantly clear. And you've all been trying more or less since Beta, if not earlier than that (though prior to that there was, I think, a somewhat more substantial sense of community on these forums than since). And the
one thing that
has been made abundantly clear is that there will not be an eye-to-eye resolution on this.
Those who approve of and desire the challenge of PVP will not understand those who do not; especially those who don't want PVP yet still wish to play in Open.
Those who want to play in Open but don't approve of PVP will continue not being able to understand the people who like it; nor why FD continue
not enforcing play-nice rules - and let's not talk about 1.3, since it's unlikely to make any substantial difference to 'crime' and 'punishment' in the game. This is the point: different people have different views on what constitutes 'crime' anyway, and what - if anything - should be done about it.
After that, it's all down to anecdote anyway. You insist that Open is more than PVP; that you've "played probably more than 75% of CMDR's" - which I assume means you're saying you've had dealing with more than three-quarters of all Elite|Dangerous players, though I'm not sure how you calculate that - and you've never been griefed. That's fine. I've been attacked and destroyed within minutes each of the five times I've ventured into Open mode, and
I've never once been griefed.
But you can see that, to my eye, Open mode is, absolutely and undeniably, PVP mode, and amounts to nothing else. And I don't like PVP, so generally I no longer try to play that aspect of the game. I was never a big fan of the idea of multiplayer Elite anyway, as Elite games have always been single-player. Too many compromises had to be made to force it into a multiplayer package; but that's beside the point. To me, Open mode is PVP mode; there's nothing more to it than that. You say otherwise. Fine - but
that's what I'm saying: I will never come to see Open in the way you do, nor will you ever see it as I do.
So what's the point? Given the same probably applies to any two posters you'd care to pick from any of these dozens of threads on the same subject? They'll all be in the same boat. What are we all trying to achieve? Why are we all wasting our time trying to make other people see that our way of playing this game is the way we should
all be playing this game?
