Plasma weapons need a faster shots

[Úlfhéðnar]

As much as I like Plasma weaponry in Odyssey all 3 guns are hardly useful. Like I get it they dont have damge drawbacks like laser or kinetic but its almost impossible to hit moving targets with those weapons. It doesnt need to be much faster but at least fast enough so you can hit medium range targets with the Automatic and for the Sniper enough to hit long range targets.

Oh and I am fairly sure a gun with which it is impossible to hit moving targets would never enter service anywhere not even in a fictious game universe

 

[Artaletta]

Oh man, did you try a shotgun? G5 shotgun (still not engineered) literally oneshots EVERY living thing.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

Oh man, did you try a shotgun? G5 shotgun (still not engineered) literally oneshots EVERY living thing.

thats why I didnt mention it, also the Shotgun is more of a CQC range weapon isnt it?

 

[Artaletta]

thats why I didnt mention it, also the Shotgun is more of a CQC range weapon isnt it?

Range is nothing if you have manticore G4. You kill enemies faster than they even react. If they somehow react - they will do nothing to you since manticore has a ton of health (even in hard CZ). I'm afraid of thinking what will be if you get this shotgun engineered (ammo at least). I recommend you to try a plasma rifle as well, but upgrade at least to G4.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

Range is nothing if you have manticore G4. You kill enemies faster than they even react. If they somehow react - they will do nothing to you since manticore has a ton of health (even in hard CZ). I'm afraid of thinking what will be if you get this shotgun engineered (ammo at least). I recommend you to try a plasma rifle as well, but upgrade at least to G4.

m8 I am using plasma only thats why I wrote this in the first place. I prefer to keep a bit more distance and hitting moving targets with plasma is unnessecarily hard. Bullet speed doesnt need to be doubled but maybe increase by 50% so you can hit stuff with the Oppressor on medium range (moving targets)

 

[Ethaidan]

Different guns for different range. If you want to maintain distance, use a weapon designed for distance, and/consider engineering it for greater ranged combat.

 

[Auhrii]

For the sniper, sure. I'd take a damage boost for the assault rifle, which can semi-reliably hit targets due to its rate of fire but only does slap damage regardless, even at G3.

 

[Shintai]

Plasma does damage to both armour and shields. You cant have it all.

Try enjoy shooting shields off with the kinetics or armour with the lasers.

 

[Artaletta]

m8 I am using plasma only thats why I wrote this in the first place. I prefer to keep a bit more distance and hitting moving targets with plasma is unnessecarily hard. Bullet speed doesnt need to be doubled but maybe increase by 50% so you can hit stuff with the Oppressor on medium range (moving targets)

Then NPC snipers will one-shot you in any situation coz they're using same weapons. Now you can easily dodge a shot just slowly goin' sideways. I don't wanna this to be changed.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

Different guns for different range. If you want to maintain distance, use a weapon designed for distance, and/consider engineering it for greater ranged combat.

Except that the only really valid plasma weapon is the Shotgun. I am not asking for damage buff anyways I am asking for a usable mid range auto weapon

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

Then NPC snipers will one-shot you in any situation coz they're using same weapons. Now you can easily dodge a shot just slowly goin' sideways. I don't wanna this to be changed.

With 50% increase you can still dodge longrange shots btw

 

[Shintai]

Except that the only really valid plasma weapon is the Shotgun. I am not asking for damage buff anyways I am asking for a usable mid range auto weapon

What? The sniper is godly, the pistol is godly and the shotgun is walking around with an 88mm anti gun from ww2. The AR is just the only one balanced.

Have you tried the no plasma weapons lately?

 

[Auhrii]

The AR is just the only one balanced.

I tried the Oppressor and honestly it's vastly outmatched by even a lower grade laser/kinetic combo - with G2 lasers and kinetics I can reliably wipe the floor with medium CZ enemies, and absolutely demolish entire low CZs. My G3 Oppressor, on the other hand, takes almost an entire mag to kill a single low CZ commando. Could do with a slight damage buff.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

What? The sniper is godly, the pistol is godly and the shotgun is walking around with an 88mm anti gun from ww2. The AR is just the only one balanced.

Have you tried the no plasma weapons lately?

I dont think you get my point sadly. I never said they are bad. But as soon as a BOT moves 1m the Plasma guns get WAY to difficult to use for people not used to it. Oh and did you miss the point where I said I main plasma? Apperantly you did. I totally agree with the Snipe being awesome yes. Shotgun is also nice. And the AR has the effictive range of the Shotgun thats the problem.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

I tried the Oppressor and honestly it's vastly outmatched by even a lower grade laser/kinetic combo - with G2 lasers and kinetics I can reliably wipe the floor with medium CZ enemies, and absolutely demolish entire low CZs. My G3 Oppressor, on the other hand, takes almost an entire mag to kill a single low CZ commando. Could do with a slight damage buff.

Nah imo dmg is fine thats why I said bullet speed you probably take a mag because 75% of the shots miss due to enemy moving

 

[Shintai]

I dont think you get my point sadly. I never said they are bad. But as soon as a BOT moves 1m the Plasma guns get WAY to difficult to use for people not used to it. Oh and did you miss the point where I said I main plasma? Apperantly you did. I totally agree with the Snipe being awesome yes. Shotgun is also nice. And the AR has the effictive range of the Shotgun thats the problem.

I just dont think you understand what balance is and the trade offs are. Also you can mod the weapons and there the plasma series wins again. If anything plasma needs a good nerf.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

I just dont think you understand what balance is and the trade offs are. Also you can mod the weapons and there the plasma series wins again.

lol ye could say the same about you for better insight see the post by @Auhrii about the oppressor
Again I am not complain about damage I am complaining about the super slow bullet speed. Yes its supposed to be balanced but why is it outclassed by lower grade Kinetic and Laser then?

 

[Auhrii]

Nah imo dmg is fine thats why I said bullet speed you probably take a mag because 75% of the shots miss due to enemy moving

Weird. I get a fairly high hit rate with the plasma AR (only because I'm used to leading its shots), and its damage output is still pretty bad. I probably get a higher hit rate than with my laser/kinetic carbines and it still does a fair bit less damage.

 

[Úlfhéðnar]

Weird. I get a fairly high hit rate with the plasma AR (only because I'm used to leading its shots), and its damage output is still pretty bad. I probably get a higher hit rate than with my laser/kinetic carbines and it still does a fair bit less damage.

For me its the opposite tbh. I probably missinterprete the distance tho literally enemy standing right infront of me maybe 5m and it feels like I have to lead 2m to hit him when moving slow, probably because that doesnt feel nature hence the 50% bullet speed increase

 

[Shintai]

lol ye could say the same about you for better insight see the post by @Auhrii about the oppressor
Again I am not complain about damage I am complaining about the super slow bullet speed. Yes its supposed to be balanced but why is it outclassed by lower grade Kinetic and Laser then?

It´s not outclassed. Being bad with an OP weapon type is just another thing.

AR-50 uses an entire clip on a level 1 opponent for example. And you have 6 reloads.