Players are trying to stop YOU unlocking Prof Palin.

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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ph1Lt0r said:
That could very well be the case, but as hired goons we aren't up for asking questions about motives :)
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Even mercenaries, maybe especially mercenaries, should think about how their actions might affect them and their business in the future.
Working against their interests isn't a good move for mercenaries.

ph1Lt0r said:
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To be 100% honest, I am not up to speed on the lore. I am still working on the books, so I can't confirm or deny your statement.
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Enjoy reading the books.
 

ocflyer

ocflyer
Jason Lightning said:
Ah there it is, that smug player group elitism of 'if you aren't with us you don't count.'

No I haven't heard of you, first it's the name calling and now it's the denial that you must clearly know everyone, and if you don't they mean nothing. Between the different time zones and game modes you don't know everyone, in fact I don't even know who this 'supergroup' you refer to even is, could just be you and that other guy for all I know.
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You're confusing smug with simple observation. I have no illusions of being better than anyone, or that someone doesn't count for having simply been present in the system while the operation was in progress. My point was that there were a LOT that contributed and we made a specific effort to give recognition to everyone that participated. I think it comes down to your unwillingness to consider the possibility that we actually did keep track of all those that contributed and that we're able to stay in communication with them. Such is the case. Anyway, you have my testimony - the group that contributed to Wolfberg ousting did not participate in the Sirius attack. We're busy elsewhere.
 

Jason Lightning

Jason Lightning
Spiridon said:
Ehmm... not true. You were nowhere to be found in Open. I was there.
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Yeah I wasn't there, people I know were there.

I specifically said I knew someone there, not that I was there.

You can even see my unedited posts in this thread confirming I never said I was at Wolfberg
 

Jason Lightning

Jason Lightning
ocflyer said:
You're confusing smug with simple observation. I have no illusions of being better than anyone, or that someone doesn't count for having simply been present in the system while the operation was in progress. My point was that there were a LOT that contributed and we made a specific effort to give recognition to everyone that participated. I think it comes down to your unwillingness to consider the possibility that we actually did keep track of all those that contributed and that we're able to stay in communication with them. Such is the case. Anyway, you have my testimony - the group that contributed to Wolfberg ousting did not participate in the Sirius attack. We're busy elsewhere.
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And who is the 'we', a secretive shadowy group that definitely exists? Since it is your group you can certainly do more than just allude, that would prove your point rather clearly.
 

Jason Lightning

Jason Lightning
CMDR pollycough said:
"The ones who flipped Wolfberg are supposedly part of the effort to lockdown Sirius,"

You made a mistake!!! simple. Can you not accept that?
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Mistake? What part of that sentence is technically false? I was very careful with how I worded every post, it's all technically true. That this silly joke is being taken seriously enough to get repeatedly insulted and I'm getting annoying PMs off this forum means I'm done with it though:

I never actually said WHO they supported in Wolfberg, just that they flipped it at some unspecified point (technically true if you asked them), that they have people at the lockdown of Sirius (verified in a few videos I saw) and that they were in Open during your operation, which is also true.

That you all took it as a personal offense and assumed I was referring to your anti-SDC operation rather than actually call out that I was being deliberately vague is rather telling.
 

DaveB

DaveB
CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
Even mercenaries, maybe especially mercenaries, should think about how their actions might affect them and their business in the future.
Working against their interests isn't a good move for mercenaries.
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Maxim 28: "If the price of collateral damage is high enough, you might be able to get paid for bringing ammunition home with you."

Maxim 49: "Every client is one missed payment away from becoming a target and every target is one bribe away from becoming a client."
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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DaveB said:
Maxim 28: "If the price of collateral damage is high enough, you might be able to get paid for bringing ammunition home with you."

Maxim 49: "Every client is one missed payment away from becoming a target and every target is one bribe away from becoming a client."
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Maxim 28 is assuming that there is:
a) ammunition
b) home
c) somebody who would buy ammunition
d) that attacking Sirius results in collateral damage and not damaging the mercenary

Maxim 49 is assuming that there is:
a) a client
b) a target

Both assume that the mercenary is able to use the tools required for the job and that tools are available to the mercenary. Attacking one of the main suppliers of technology needed for spaceflight is not a good idea for somebody who needs that technology to do that job.

Attacking Sirius is bad business decision, because it affects the ability of the mercenary to do jobs in the future. Being a mercenary space pilot is going to be difficult if an alien invasion is destroying most of the bubble while humans don't have access to FSDs because some misguided idealists thought it would be a good idea to sabotage Sirius and other important corporations.

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Sadly FD will probably never introduce such consequences to player actions. Players will always be able to buy spaceships and the required modules. No matter what they do to sabotage corporations.
Imagine Sirius having a blacklist of known terrorists - those who work against Sirius - and those on the list can't buy power plants and FSDs and can't even get repairs for those things.
Players have too much power in this game to affect the galaxy and the real powers are absurdly weak.
 

Apos

Apos
It's kinda funny seeing similar names of people who continuously ask for FD to shake up the bubble by having the Thargoids destroy systems and the hard work of others to repeatedly be the same people who will complain about other players doing the same to their own goals.

Access to Marc Qwent isn't even limited in any meaningful way with these actions. Sirius doesn't need to control a system, even a single outpost would be enough to get reputation with them through exploration.
 

ITZC0ATL

ITZC0ATL
Apos said:
Access to Marc Qwent isn't even limited in any meaningful way with these actions. Sirius doesn't need to control a system, even a single outpost would be enough to get reputation with them through exploration.
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Yeah, I got my Sirius permit and access to Qwent last night with no hassle whatsoever
 

Sentenza

Sentenza
As one of the Wolfberg "heroes", my official stance on this is that being an in-game operation based on an in-game storyline, everyone is perfectly free to take, or not take, whatever side they like depending on their in-game persona. The Wolfberg event was a completely different thing.

Ok, enough reason for today :)
 

Crank Larson

Crank Larson
Apos said:
Access to Marc Qwent isn't even limited in any meaningful way with these actions. Sirius doesn't need to control a system, even a single outpost would be enough to get reputation with them through exploration.
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Shhh... You'll stop the flow of salt... This thread is being harvested quite nicely, thank-you, please don't rock the boat. :D
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
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Sadly FD will probably never introduce such consequences to player actions. Players will always be able to buy spaceships and the required modules. No matter what they do to sabotage corporations.
Imagine Sirius having a blacklist of known terrorists - those who work against Sirius - and those on the list can't buy power plants and FSDs and can't even get repairs for those things.
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Certainly it's true that it's way too easily to be allied with everybody, and to harm a faction without significantly affecting your status with them.

On the other hand, if Sirius actually tried to restrict sales in that way, there are plenty of other high-tech systems to replace them. They have competitive advantage but they could easily lose it if they stopped being convenient. It's not like the first Imperial-Federal war where they were literally the only supplier of key components. (I would imagine at least the superpowers have learned a valuable lesson about vendor lock-in from that and made their own supply chains)

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
Players have too much power in this game to affect the galaxy and the real powers are absurdly weak.
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Sirius' in-game representation is a bit of an outlier, though - a minor faction with a few systems. The Federation, Empire and even Alliance are basically untouchable by player action beyond a few systems changing hands. Even Sirius can only be somewhat inconvenienced by player action. (And arguably Sirius is intentionally concealing a lot of its real strength in ways outside of the scope of the BGS, and benefits from looking politically and economically like a much more minor player than it is)

I personally take player action as a proxy for wider sentiment, rather than a cause of it as such (though obviously the in-game mechanics have it as the cause). If the players in a system are generally attacking Sirius (or supporting its local rivals), that's reflective of general discontent with Sirius among the entire population of the system, and it's that which causes the issues - contracts renegotiated, tax breaks won or lost, inconvenient lawsuits, etc.
 

CMDR pollycough

CMDR pollycough
Hi Oldric.
Nice to see you again. Sorry got caught up in a bit of pointing out the obvious.

"In the last few days Sirius Corp have lost the Avik system"

I am surprised at this as it is a very simple task to break retreat, It would show that there is no organized response or if there is, Then it was allowed for operational reasons.
I haven't got time to add Sirius systems to my galactic monitoring, But if you see pending or active retreat, Send me a PM.[up]
 

CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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Ian Doncaster said:
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On the other hand, if Sirius actually tried to restrict sales in that way, there are plenty of other high-tech systems to replace them. …
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For all I know all power generators (and I assume power plants) that are build anywhere are build with a Sirius license. A system going "rouge" by breaking that license agreement would probably be in deep trouble.
Not entirely sure about FSDs. I think they are developed by Sirius and build by licensees.

Would be very interesting to lear more about this, FDs informations on such topics are a bit sparse.

Ian Doncaster said:
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I personally take player action as a proxy for wider sentiment, rather than a cause of it as such (though obviously the in-game mechanics have it as the cause). If the players in a system are generally attacking Sirius (or supporting its local rivals), that's reflective of general discontent with Sirius among the entire population of the system, and it's that which causes the issues - contracts renegotiated, tax breaks won or lost, inconvenient lawsuits, etc.
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Very similar to my approach to the discrepancy between realism and game. I think it would be nice if players had less power, but I understand that others like it that way and even want more power. Compromises everywhere :)
 

Oldric

Oldric
CMDR pollycough said:
Hi Oldric.
Nice to see you again. Sorry got caught up in a bit of pointing out the obvious.

"In the last few days Sirius Corp have lost the Avik system"

I am surprised at this as it is a very simple task to break retreat, It would show that there is no organized response or if there is, Then it was allowed for operational reasons.
I haven't got time to add Sirius systems to my galactic monitoring, But if you see pending or active retreat, Send me a PM.[up]
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Roger that. I'll jump on the discord for a catch up later tonight. o7
 

Cupsuki

Cupsuki
The are not trying to stop YOU, they started attacking Sirius Corp because of Salome's message. They are playing by in game rules and I'm quite happy to see this level of player involvement.

If you dislike what they are doing you are free to fight them back, I don't see what the problem is here.

PD: I don't have Qwent or Palin unlocked
 
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