It would be easier tell him that it's not his business 
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It would be easier tell him that it's not his business
That's also an option but I'm hoping that he actually has a valid framework to make sense of a single number. That would be quite a feat
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Why you should pick your hypotheses BEFORE looking at your data
While sitting in statistics class my prof would often repeat the importance of deciding the hypotheses one wants to test before looking at…towardsdatascience.com
2 paragraphs in and that went straight over my head, what didn’t is your continued reluctance to answer the question, even if the answer is ‘I don’t know the answer’
You say you’re not imposing conditions on me before you answer at the same time as demanding to know my ‘scientific methodology’, with, btw, no guarantee that even if I do explain myself you will provide the answer.
This is really simple. You can either:
a) tell me you don’t know the number
b) tell me the number
c) tell me you refuse to give me the number
I’m not the one claiming accountability, I don’t have to provide anything.
That's also an option but I'm hoping that he actually has a valid framework to make sense of a single number. That would be quite a feat
Yes, you’re imposing a condition, despite you denying that you are.
Ok, since you are clearly not getting it:
It is meaningless because it's just a number.
You can't reason about a number without any reference data and not without having an hypothesis before looking at the data.
Otherwise, if all you want is a number, you can head this way.
- there is a number for sure.
- it could be zero, it could be 42, it could be 1234567890, it could be whatever you want.
It is meaningless because it's just a number.
You can't reason about a number without any reference data and not without having an hypothesis before looking at the data.
Otherwise, if all you want is a number, you can head this way.
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LeKeno does not want to answer this question, cus he’s afraid it will become even more messy for him and his org
This whole thread: NO U!!! 
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Still not answering eh?
Still imposing the condition now more overtly despite denying it earlier.
When you cant blind them with science, baffle them with bullcrap.
You can slither and scuttle all around it as much as you like. I don’t have to provide a damn thing to be given a straight answer to a straight question. You can be be suspicious of what I will do with that number (again, if anything at all), you can cast doubt on any conclusion I might draw should you ever decide to give me the number but I would suggest, in clear sight of the entire forum, your reluctance to answer is making the claim to accountability look fantastically tenuous.
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Level: 2nd grader at best.
You don't even need a number, you need to first improve your reading comprehension.
Oh, surely, the whole word is watching. They can see that your search for a number is pointless. Anyways... We will talk when you actually have something interesting to contribute.
Still didn’t answer and in fact now refuses.
Interesting that the number is so meaningless, so pointless to you yet it seems important enough for you to not want to disclose it.
I love the way that you also take the authority on what is meaningless and pointless. That isn’t how accountability works. Accountability and transparency is, you’re asked a question and you answer it. End of.
In the end, all your wriggling demonstrates is your indignation at being asked a simple question and the lengths you’ll go to, the straws you’ll grab at, to not answer.
You have done nothing to improve the reputation of the organisation you represent, far from it, I would say you have damaged it. If I was leading your organisation, I’d seriously have words with you about what you have done here.
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The horror. Not like I don't see such things daily in every MMO ever...This whole thread: NO U!!!
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oh,starting with insulting? I love you (l)awful guys, I really do
Try providing something insightful instead of spiteful little jokes.
I really admire your eloquent and enriching contributions.
Look... SPEARbois... At this point all you're really accomplishing here is turning randos against you. Perhaps now is a good time to cut your losses and bow out.
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Well as a self-professed seal ripe for clubbing, I’ve got to say the behaviour and justifications of my self-appointed protectors is mildly disturbing to say the least...
Don’t mind me though, I’ve spent the last three bus rides to work catching up with this thread, so by all means carry on carrying on
If these are the calibre of upstanding moral paladins who’ve appointed themselves my custodians though, the anarchist communes of Colonia are looking more appealing by the minute.
I'm gonna touch on all three of these posts at once 'cause there's way too much stuff going on in this thread to cover in detail. It really boils down to the question of what's an okay time to send another CMDR to the rebuy screen? There's a few broad categories of circumstances, and I've been giving them a little thought. Obviously, this is all opinion, but I've listed them in order of justifiability.
1. Supported/rewarded directly by game mechanics. Piracy, target is a powerplay enemy, target is wanted, target is in a CZ on an opposing side, etc.
Always justified and allowed, no excuse necessary. If you're in open and hauling expensive cargo in a sell system you should expect pirates to get in on the action. Likewise, if you're flying around with a big red WANTED on the HUD when someone targets you, you don't get to whine. This is the crux of my comment to Frostydelic earlier - if you fly in open to hang out with SPEAR of all people, in a hot ship, what else were you expecting to happen? You can say "I'm not a ganker" all you want, but... hot ship. They're bounty hunters. It's directly part of the game. You get a shiny blue message in your HUD for doing it that tells you what your prize is.
Sure, there are a couple of situations in this category where you might want to consider the optics - their bounty is only 400cr for hanging around in a planetary trespass zone slightly too long and you don't feel like going full-Dredd on them, or that enemy powerplayer you saw in the LTD hotspot who's clearly not hauling merits right now, and things like that, but I'm not gonna fault someone for taking the shot. Don't fly wanted in open if you don't want to get bountyhunted.
2. Roleplay reasons or indirectly supported by game mechanics, particularly pertaining to BGS. Anarchy supporters driving off bounty hunters in their systems, whacking that guy you saw on your bounty board regardless of whether you get a KWS just to make him grind a rebuy, and so on.
Case-by-case. The bounty-hunting thing is a common one mentioned by anarchists, it's one of the few situations where murdering an opposing CMDR doesn't hurt your own faction. Usually opportunistic in the case of the second example - the more time he's spending mining the less time he's in your system. Sometimes can be down to a beef between groups, in which case it can tend to be just a part of a bigger mudslinging match. HOORAY, POLITICS. Be very careful 'cause you can easily slip into category 4 if the reasons you're using to justify your actions don't cut the mustard.
3. FOR THE LULZ.
At this point everyone knows you're just doing it for jollies, and you don't pretend it's anything but. This is where your common or garden ganker is found. Doesn't just cover ganks, but anything where you're just going out to be a jerk. Station-ramming, ramming clean ships in general, drive by reverb-bombing and running away, smacking a shieldless ship with enzymes and waking out before they explode, telling them to "fit shields next time", you're basically just being a troll and disrupting people's game for fun. Don't cry if you get blocked for this - you're going out of your way to be someone that others won't want to play with, so you're not entitled to make them play with you.
Unsportsmanlike conduct in arranged PvP like challenging people to a duel then leaving crime reporting turned on is also liable to get you labelled a jerk of the highest order.
4. "justifying" for-the-lulz actions or other, more egregious activity.
This goes into the whole CS Lewis thing about how "omnipotent moral busybodies" being worse than "robber barons", because once someone's done the mental gymnastics to justify what they're doing, there's no limit to how nasty they can get. If you're taking any of your actions out of game and justifying it to yourself as being okay because they're "baddies", then you've probably crossed this line. If you're looking up people's RL names so you can find out their alts and attack them, or stalking people across discords so you can see them show up and attack them, or stream-sniping them because they wronged you in some way, you should probably put the game down and seek help. It ain't healthy, man.
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