Please finally address Cross Platform. We need it.

[CMDR Slee Piboi]

• Sony and MS do allow crossplay and some games already do crossplay, so that's up to the devs.
• Keyboard and mouse are supported on consoles and some games already do KBAM on consoles, so that's up to the devs.
• PS4 vs PS4 Pro vs PS5, Dualshock vs Dualshock + Strikepack vs TM HOTAS vs Astro C40. Far from a level playing field.
• All the different PC HW configurations running Elite are hardly a level playing field either.

It's not like the worst PC configs are miles ahead of console performance. As uncomfortable as it might make the master race, the specs and especially the user experiences overlap, and that applies already to the PS4/Xbone generation, PS5/XSX makes it even more so. Run a low spec PC + VR combo and I guarantee a console provides a smoother experience. I know this from first hand experience because that's exactly what I did.

Anyway. Crossplay is becoming the new norm in the video game industry and it'll eventually be the standard expectation of players, so my bet is it's only a matter of time before FDev too must fold. And they would be outright stupid to have implemented over the wire packets in any kind of platform dependent form. All CMDRs are already working on top of a single shared background simulation so essentially we're talking about the real-time matchmaking algorithm here.

And if it's really that big of a deal for some players, making crossplay a user option is hardly rocket surgery now is it? Especially with all the mode/blocking instancing rules already going on? It'd be stupid to throw even more gasoline into that dumpster fire of course, but I'm just saying...

 

[Anton S044 O]

It won't happen. PC players have a huge advantage with aftermarket editions that console players will never have. Take a very expensive HOTAS a PC player has access to while a console player in Xbox or PS4 only has a HOTAS from Thrustmaster just moving all the buttons to a HOTAS.

Frontier has always been concerned about balance so if the consoles cannot compete with the PC version this will never happen. Good for them playing ED on my PS4. That is a balance playing with other PS4 players.

Or if the Devs take a page from other games Allow xbox and PS4 to use the alternate flight sticks.

 

[Anton S044 O]

• Sony and MS do allow crossplay and some games already do crossplay, so that's up to the devs.
• Keyboard and mouse are supported on consoles and some games already do KBAM on consoles, so that's up to the devs.
• PS4 vs PS4 Pro vs PS5, Dualshock vs Dualshock + Strikepack vs TM HOTAS vs Astro C40. Far from a level playing field.
• All the different PC HW configurations running Elite are hardly a level playing field either.

It's not like the worst PC configs are miles ahead of console performance. As uncomfortable as it might make the master race, the specs and especially the user experiences overlap, and that applies already to the PS4/Xbone generation, PS5/XSX makes it even more so. Run a low spec PC + VR combo and I guarantee a console provides a smoother experience. I know this from first hand experience because that's exactly what I did.

Anyway. Crossplay is becoming the new norm in the video game industry and it'll eventually be the standard expectation of players, so my bet is it's only a matter of time before FDev too must fold. And they would be outright stupid to have implemented over the wire packets in any kind of platform dependent form. All CMDRs are already working on top of a single shared background simulation so essentially we're talking about the real-time matchmaking algorithm here.

And if it's really that big of a deal for some players, making crossplay a user option is hardly rocket surgery now is it? Especially with all the mode/blocking instancing rules already going on? It'd be stupid to throw even more gasoline into that dumpster fire of course, but I'm just saying...

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Completely agree, I was thinking about sea of thieves, if FDev also provide generalised support for all Joysticks not just Hotas one and 4 for consoles.

 

[H4iry 0range]

as a console player i say yes to console cross play , but not with pc with their cheats and macro's

 

[Dillon Fallon]

as a console player i say yes to console cross play , but not with pc with their cheats and macro's

I'm pretty sure there's PC players using controllers without macros that are able to spank plenty of HOTAS+ macro users. Anyway, given the complete lack of any formal PvP structure to the game, this is hardly going to be high on the list of issues.

Any cheats and macros that affect the game outside of PvP are still your problem due to the shared BGS.

 

[Amanojaku]

Or if the Devs take a page from other games Allow xbox and PS4 to use the alternate flight sticks.

The argument that keyboard and mouse was superior to controller has been crushed by current crossplay games, and when it comes to controller vs. M&K vs flight stick it comes down to simple familiarity and preference. You could argue that you can aim better with M&K, and that controller users need aim assist, but you could also argue that action oriented commands and platforming are worse on M&K because there's no analogue stick.

I've talked to people who play ED who've tried flight sticks and simply don't like them, and they quickly go back to eith M&K or controller because that's what they've used all their life and are comfortable with.

The only real advantage pc players have (for now) is the cheat menu.

 

[Drelthar]

The only real advantage pc players have (for now) is the cheat menu.

Which 99.99% of players don't have access to, and some of those that do, get banned.

That's not a crossplay issue, it's an anti cheat issue.

(The entire controller debate isn't a crossplay issue either but you said that.)

 

[Amanojaku]

Which 99.99% of players don't have access to, and some of those that do, get banned.

That's not a crossplay issue, it's an anti cheat issue.

(The entire controller debate isn't a crossplay issue either but you said that.)

Cheating will always be an issue on pc, but it's not a major problem in most games with crossplay. Despite the horror stories cheaters in Modern Warfare are rare (they mostly go after streamers to get their 15 minutes), and in a game like ED they would be even more rare. Like you said, cheaters get banned. Not only that, most crossplay games can filter out pc players. It's not an issue if it's done right.

 

[SqualZell]

as a console player i say yes to console cross play , but not with pc with their cheats and macro's

this is probably the most ignorant comment in this whole thread.
99.99% of the players don't cheat. and those who do get reported and banned. I've been playing Elite Dangerous since Launch 6 years ago... and I've seen maybe 1? and it's questionable since the server could have been having hit registration issues at the moment.

 

[Anton S044 O]

The argument that keyboard and mouse was superior to controller has been crushed by current crossplay games, and when it comes to controller vs. M&K vs flight stick it comes down to simple familiarity and preference. You could argue that you can aim better with M&K, and that controller users need aim assist, but you could also argue that action oriented commands and platforming are worse on M&K because there's no analogue stick.

I've talked to people who play ED who've tried flight sticks and simply don't like them, and they quickly go back to eith M&K or controller because that's what they've used all their life and are comfortable with.

The only real advantage pc players have (for now) is the cheat menu.

I have to agree with the PC advantages with the cheat menu but it is not like it's an advertised feature. And control is all preference, I agreed again.

 

[SCiARA]

cheat menu?

 

[Drelthar]

cheat menu?

There have been some cheats created over the years, most of them were negated by FD.
It's exceedingly rare.

You can lose your account for it.

 

[znôrt]

There have been some cheats created over the years, most of them were negated by FD.
It's exceedingly rare.

more like 'denied'. i see no reason for them not to be still working, i absolutely rule out the possibility that frontier has addressed the design flaws that expose critical information to the client. that's not something you can 'patch', so there will be trainers forever.

it's indeed rare. nobody bothers, because elite isn't a proper pvp game either. which by the way (and to return to topic) makes the whole controller/platform balance discussion moot. that's just an excuse. my bet is that crossplay just means a messy integration process and support and is very low in their priority list.

 

[VirtueXOI]

Still only have 1 large landing pad ..... i'm not for crossplay then

 

[Anton S044 O]

more like 'denied'. i see no reason for them not to be still working, i absolutely rule out the possibility that frontier has addressed the design flaws that expose critical information to the client. that's not something you can 'patch', so there will be trainers forever.

it's indeed rare. nobody bothers, because elite isn't a proper pvp game either. which by the way (and to return to topic) makes the whole controller/platform balance discussion moot. that's just an excuse. my bet is that crossplay just means a messy integration process and support and is very low in their priority list.

It's not that it's not their priority they've said they don't want to do it at all. I don't care if it's a priority just on some sort of eventual priority.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Yes please - I'd like crossplay to happen too (and am a PC player!) as I have a bunch of players on Console in my main's squadron that I have never met in game - and a few posters on this forum I'd be very happy to 'run in to' at some point (in the nicest possible way!)

Not mentioned on the crossplay list of games so far... Good Ole "No Man's Sky" went crossplay earlier this year - had a couple of teething issues but appear to have caught up now.

 

[Anton S044 O]

Yes please - I'd like crossplay to happen too (and am a PC player!) as I have a bunch of players on Console in my main's squadron that I have never met in game - and a few posters on this forum I'd be very happy to 'run in to' at some point (in the nicest possible way!)

Not mentioned on the crossplay list of games so far... Good Ole "No Man's Sky" went crossplay earlier this year - had a couple of teething issues but appear to have caught up now.

Yeah, if no Man's sky can do it Elite can. At this rate star citizen will have it on xbox first.

 

[Anton S044 O]

I think Frontier can not make this decision.

They can, microsoft nor sony own them and No Man's Sky did it, why can't they?

 

[Elliot Coleman]

Frontier has always been concerned about balance

Really?

• Engineering
• FDL meta
• Asp Scout
• Engineering
• Core mining
• Combat payouts
• C&P
• Engineering

I'd refer you to a few forum threads on balance, but there are far too many to list.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Its a good suggestion, but an unnecessary one. FD are certainly aware of the desire from people for cross play. Just that, for whatever reason, they can't/won't do it yet. Maybe one day...