I am still hoping Elite will make it.
What are 17 more years to wait?
What are 17 more years to wait?
Please make earthlikes explorable, allow open Mods, rescue the game!
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Actually no I don’t really.
Not played any of those other games you mentioned.
Still playing the only large computer game I have had since 2016, I might look at the others when I finish this one or stop enjoying it, which seems unlikely unless some of the proposals here on the forums to make the game something else happen.
As the saying goes, "all good things must come to an end".
We should celebrate ED's existence and the many hours of entertainment it has given us, instead of lamentating it's (eventual) demise.
If you're old enough, frontier management decisions aren't unprecedented at all. The entire gaming industry thought what frontier developments was trying in 2021 when the ps3 was the "next gen". I remember it well, the japanese guy was on stage telling everyone to work harder and save more for the console, and there was industry fronted push towards non gamer gamers. These people's kids are probably playing games now btw. I was personally wowed by full HD video, seeing the demo reels in appliance stores of the planet earth blu ray was truly inspiring.
You have to guess that was the last time david braben and the priniple engineers at frontier last played a video game for fun, otherwise surely someone would have said something
You have to guess that was the last time david braben and the priniple engineers at frontier last played a video game for fun, otherwise surely someone would have said something
"Not too much to ask for"
ok. lol. Earthlikes are the hardest to make look anywhere remotely realistic. Even if the company had SC budget and staffing. I would not expect that in ten years.
ok. lol. Earthlikes are the hardest to make look anywhere remotely realistic. Even if the company had SC budget and staffing. I would not expect that in ten years.
So you came back to tell everyone the game is dead?
So... you want FDev to spend dev time making apartment buildings and programming wine drinking mechanics? How long do you plan to stay in your virtual apartment drinking virtual wine? What would the wine even do? Does it make you drunk? Are we adding survival mechanics where I need to worry about food and water? Do I need to synthesize food for my CMDR way out in the black? There are so many gameplay questions in this one sentence!
Also, you do realize you can sit in the concourse bars in-game, right now, and have this experience, right? There are seats your CMDR can sit in right by the windows. Make it even better and have some real-life wine while you watch the ships go by... frankly this is a great idea, I need to try this now!
Meanwhile, as a newer player to Elite (joining right before Odyssey went into pre-launch), I'm still having fun 700+ hours later. I've participated in several in-game events hosted by player community groups. The Private Group I nearly always use is steadily gaining new CMDRs. Elite isn't dead, even if you think it is, and the player base is very much varied in age - it's not solely those darn youths with their Fortnite dances.
David Braben actually wanted these in Frontier: Elite 2 - in a pre-release interview in 1992 when the game was known as High Frontier they were mentioned but as an “ambitious feature…(that) simply won’t have time to be included.”
Wow. Try reading that out loud, and then try to hear it yourself how arrogant and entitled (edit: and insulting!) that sounds. If that's the attitude of the "real" Elite players, it's a good thing they are gone.
Oh, and I don't play Fortnite or any other MMO. Never have, never will. And I guess it's the same for many others who have racked up thousands of hours exploring, fighting in wars, bounty hunting, fighting the Thargoids, or just hauling goods.
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Ah! So this is a "DOOM!" thread? OK - if it is dead, it's dead... So why are there so many posters commenting on the latest additions to the game, etc?
Yep, I have all of those, have around 400 hours of NMS, 10 hours of SC and a few hours in SF... I only have 7,500+ hours in ED/O so far, and that number keeps getting larger faster than the others.
Not bad for a game that doesn't know it is dead, is it?
but you're not a "core" player
.I ignored that bit... Sounds the same as "Veteran", only defined by the person who uses the term, normally meaning themselves and meant to raise them above the trash like me...but you're not a "core" player
Oh I'm with you. Right there, down at the bottom at the barrel
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Unfortunately frontier have not included / degraded the things that make ED feel like an elite game. They've concentrated on making it a running around pew pew team shooter for billy basics or a screenshot maker for telescope botherers.
I'm one of the people who did play all three when they first released, plus most of the fan remakes (obviously you're not a real Elite fan if you didn't play the Emacs port, right?) - but no, we're not where the money is.
Sure, being at least 40 and a substantial number of us probably 20 years older than that, we probably do have more disposable income than the younger generations. But there's a few tens of thousands of us (and, sadly, falling) which is hardly a suitable market even if we could all agree on questions like "was FE2 actually an Elite sequel, and was FFE?" [1] for someone to build a game around.
It makes for fun "ah, you young people with your fancy attention spans and hour-long Youtube content creators, when I were a lad we had eight colours and a couple of paragraphs of text and that were all we had time for before being sent down the pit again" rants (and rather less fun ones where people are apparently meaning it seriously) but "computer games for extremely nostalgic 60-year olds" isn't a massive market.
[1] The forums would be more fun if people insisted on the correct answer being the original official one in the same way that they insist on the official reason for "Dangerous".
Space legs "like NMS has" was a near-permanent request on the forums and elsewhere pretty much between NMS releasing and the Odyssey trailer. I don't know how to interpret that other than "walking around planets" (it's not like NMS has ship interiors, or indeed station interiors significantly more interesting than ED's) ... and it's an Elite game, so obviously your main interaction with NPCs and the environment is going to be to shoot at them (which is a lot of what you do on foot in NMS too)
(To be clear, I'm not saying you should recall any of this:
The first Odyssey trailer - mainly focused on people getting out of a spaceship and walking around a planet with their guns (or jump lead clips, it was hard to tell what the Aphelion was supposed to be) - got a huge number of "finally! take my money!" posts. (And sure, some "Shooting at things? In Elite? Clearly Frontier Doesn't Understand The Players." responses too). The first negative post on the trailer thread was from someone worried about the opposite problem - it'd be tied too much (at all?) into the ship progress game so you'd have to do foot stuff to upgrade your spaceships and stay competitive there.
If we ever do get walking around spaceships, I'm fairly sure it's - like Odyssey - going to be in a "more Elite Dangerous" way, and a few years later there'll be forum posts saying "was there really all that much demand for ship interiors?" and "I'm sick of needing 50 Cushion Components to unlock this engineer, why can't I just steal a cushion from the concourse for them?" and so on.
Pretty much every space game with substantial scope gets a huge pile of negative reviews saying it's not lived up to its potential.
Elite, Star Citizen, NMS, Dual Universe, now Starfield. [1] It may even be the same people going round posting the same review on every game, constantly furious that it isn't "the one" no matter what the shiny marketing promised and no matter what subset of the "Ultimate Game" features it includes.
And this would be a problem .... why? I'm certainly not so attached to the Cobra III and Lave that if someone came up with an Elite clone but with more features, fewer bugs and better game mechanics I'd refuse to play it just because it wasn't on brand. More people producing good spaceship flying games would be great.
Unfortunately ... not yet. There's some good space games out there - NMS, X4, a few more recent ones which haven't excited the forum so much - but they're not trying to be Elite clones (and are better games for it).
(Do you want to name the ones you're thinking of? I'm always interested in trying new ones)
[1] Not so much X4 or KSP so far as I can tell, probably because they've never had nor encouraged in their players that sort of delusion of grandeur, so they do what they do very well, don't pretend they were ever going to do the other stuff, and just quietly work as a game for people who like that sort of thing without needing to be universally acclaimed as the "best game ever" as if such a thing could exist. (Take away that expectation of being the best game ever, and NMS and ED are also nowadays very good at what they do, of course)
Yeah, shooting at things is totally not an Elite thing. It never happened in the original 1984, and that's why outfitting your combat ships with a plethora of guns plays such a minor role in Elite Dangerous. Oh wait...
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How can you say that the core Elite players are no longer playing Elite?
If they're not playing then they can't be core players, by definition.
I disagree with the rest of your statements as I'm neither another MMO nor a Fortnite player, or a player of ANY other game for that matter (unless you count Toon Blast on my phone).
The trouble with so many of the ones posting of the eventual demise is, to me, that they aren’t lamenting it but celebrating it and trying to convince everyone else that not only is it inevitable but imminent or already happened, possibly even trying to bring about that demise by putting off newer players.
It is indeed a bit strange this doom obsession that some seem to have. IMO, Odyssey is quite a good game by now and doesn't really deserve the low steam rating and all the doom posting. To me it would be appear normal to play it if one likes it, or to play something else if one doesn't. No doubt it could be better, but what it does it does relatively well. We ought to celebrate what it has achieved and not trash it for what it hasn't..