PLEASE MAKE POWERPLAY IN "OPEN ONLY"

[Rubbernuke]

That again has nothing to do with PvP which is what you keep bringing up, why fifth column was an obvious misuse of game mechanics, it was an obvious flaw in the design of the mechanic that allowed people to do something that made no lorewise or gameplay sense.
Claiming otherwise is folly, there was nothing illegal in the action itself, people used a mechanic that frontier made available, but it was pretty obvious that it was not an intended mechanism, because it was very obviously working against the best of the faction, something that lets say the faction leaders had a dedicated GM controlling them, would quickly be spottet and the people doing it kicked out.

But to begin with it was one of the ways to interact, correct? Just as you could blow up opposition fortifiers you might also nick their stuff for profit that leapfrogged that of NPCs. Now most of that is worthless vestigial trash.

It was a shame, as it was a useful tool for controlled turmoils, one that my old Power used very well.

We all speak from what we know, but you are not presenting anything about 'why' it would be good, you are saying "it would be good" and "this is better" but not presenting any real 'why' behind it, why would open only be better? the ONLY difference it would make it maybe increasing the chance of finding players and attacking them.
And as already established that is a poor way to do Powerplay, the mechanics simply do not back that up.

For the last 15 pages of responses I've outlined the 'why' as best I can. Thanks for reading them so closely.

 

[Arry]

Looks a pretty sweet deal https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/live/gold

Maybe a better buy than a game next time.

£120+ per year. Just to play your way. That is a great deal; for you.

 

[Arry]

Five minutes before the tick everyone is scanning forts, expansions and prep / consolidation. Like I said, join in and find out, Powerplay like this is the only part of the game that makes you wake up early to see the master plan come to fruition.

The only people who will ever know is FD. I'd love to see what data they have.

But you have been claiming that no one is playing in open. That is a major part of your own argument, for making it open only.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Yeah, accidental submission without my elaboration of the topic, I've tried to keep up, but there's a ton of posts and cannot exclude that I've missed some. But the statements seem still vague and one-sided. The main problem with powerplay as I've seen it represented is the mechanics of it, not that it isn't open only.

Not just this thread.... these discussions go back years. We've had the same debates many many times over.

Nothing ever comes of it of course.

 

[Velixar]

So no XBone player has a sub anymore? None at all?

I'm not surprised people want to be paid to play Powerplay as it is currently.

I paid for elite dangerous solo knowing I did not have to pay to play. Now I have people like you wanting to remove game content I like to play.

Now we found PlayStation also has to pay to play Open mode. So Rubbernuke are you going to pay for players who DON'T play in open due costs on Xbox or PlayStation. PC players don't have to pay to play.

So if Power play Open only. I think many console players will leave. Because of cost.

 

[Rubbernuke]

£120+ per year. Just to play your way. That is a great deal; for you.

Plus free games, services etc? And deals?

 

[Rubbernuke]

But you have been claiming that no one is playing in open. That is a major part of your own argument, for making it open only.

In an ideal world everyone should be forting, UMing, everything in Open. Its no good having one power doing everything in open and another opposing you in open while fortifying in safety in solo. Its this mismatch that needs sorting.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

But you have been claiming that no one is playing in open. That is a major part of your own argument, for making it open only.

Sometimes its "So many people are hiding in PG/solo its ruining the game, we can't stop them!" and sometimes its "All our guys are flying in open, but the other guys are all in PG/solo" (and of course the other guys declare all their guys are in open and its the other guys who are in PG/solo) and if you listen to these threads, all the "real" PP supporters are already in open! Because its so much better in open!

Then you have FD's statement that open is the most popular mode by a long way... so, either a majority of PPers are already in open, or for some reason, PPers tend to prefer PG/solo, and therefore a move to open only would massively reduce the number of people partaking in PP.

The usual counter argument to this is that someone in PG/solo can have a much bigger impact on PP than someone in open. Which has some truth to it, although i think its overstated.

And then you have people saying they hardly ever get attacked in open anyway, and open is pretty much safe most of the time, then you have people saying they get ganked every time they leave a station.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

In an ideal world everyone should be forting, UMing, everything in Open. Its no good having one power doing everything in open and another opposing you in open while fortifying in safety in solo. Its this mismatch that needs sorting.

Or, here's a thought. Have your haulers go into PG/solo, same as the other guys, and the opposing players are all in open. The opposing people can gank each other until the cows come home, and the haulers can just get on with hauling.

Its a very level playing field as long as you don't hamstring yourself.

But its all a load of cobblers anyway, because all powers claim that all their people are in open, its just the other side that is hiding in PG/solo. Our side good, other side bad.

 

[Rubbernuke]

I paid for elite dangerous solo knowing I did not have to pay to play. Now I have people like you wanting to remove game content I like to play.

Now we found PlayStation also has to pay to play Open mode. So Rubbernuke are you going to pay for players who DON'T play in open due costs on Xbox or PlayStation. PC players don't have to pay to play.

So if Power play Open only. I think many console players will leave. Because of cost.

I have a console, I pay for multiplayer. Its how it is so I get the multiplayer parts I like along with deals and free games.

Plus, how many % wise of ED console owners have subs? If it was low then I'd take your argument more seriously. Until you find that out this is your opinion only. It could be you are in the minority and just being tight.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Response to the OP... (no other comments here have been read by me)

I'm all for PP in open only, being a PG player, I don't really mind what you do in your Galaxy, shoot each other and create political mayhem by all means...
But, do it in your Galaxy only, don't change factions in my PG Galaxy unless I can help change them back!
When I first started playing 4 years ago we (our PG) set up home in the Su Lin - HIP(whatever) systems and had some great fun there, then the eye of PP turned it into a no go area for us happy go lucky 'innocent' players ( players that paid the same full price for the game as the rest...) that took fun out of the game until we went exploring... (another sad story)
So, yeah, PP in Open only, fine by me... What goes on in Open STAYS in open!
Don't spill it into PG and solo.... tricky one that though I recon!

 

[Rubbernuke]

Or, here's a thought. Have your haulers go into PG/solo, same as the other guys, and the opposing players are all in open. The opposing people can gank each other until the cows come home, and the haulers can just get on with hauling.

Its a very level playing field as long as you don't hamstring yourself.

But its all a load of cobblers anyway, because all powers claim that all their people are in open, its just the other side that is hiding in PG/solo. Our side good, other side bad.

But then that reduces everything down to races, with that potential for tactical interaction wasted. Thats the whole point of Open, for those times you come across others.

There is no viable NPC opposition in solo or PG, so doing activities in these modes has one speed only.

You could just as easily take out Open, and be left with dull gameplay now to really ram home how monotone Powerplay is.

 

[Arry]

In an ideal world everyone should be forting, UMing, everything in Open. Its no good having one power doing everything in open and another opposing you in open while fortifying in safety in solo. Its this mismatch that needs sorting.

Once again: Both sides have equal access to all modes and so. What you believe is happening against your power, in other modes. Can be being done as well, for your own power; without your knowledge.

Therefore: In theory, no 'mismatch' really exists.

 

[Arry]

Sometimes its "So many people are hiding in PG/solo its ruining the game, we can't stop them!" and sometimes its "All our guys are flying in open, but the other guys are all in PG/solo" (and of course the other guys declare all their guys are in open and its the other guys who are in PG/solo) and if you listen to these threads, all the "real" PP supporters are already in open! Because its so much better in open!

Then you have FD's statement that open is the most popular mode by a long way... so, either a majority of PPers are already in open, or for some reason, PPers tend to prefer PG/solo, and therefore a move to open only would massively reduce the number of people partaking in PP.

The usual counter argument to this is that someone in PG/solo can have a much bigger impact on PP than someone in open. Which has some truth to it, although i think its overstated.

And then you have people saying they hardly ever get attacked in open anyway, and open is pretty much safe most of the time, then you have people saying they get ganked every time they leave a station.

I have mentioned similar, here before. The genuine P/P players that enjoy open play; are doing just that. Enjoying their game and just getting on with it.

 

[Arry]

I have a console, I pay for multiplayer. Its how it is so I get the multiplayer parts I like along with deals and free games.

Plus, how many % wise of ED console owners have subs? If it was low then I'd take your argument more seriously. Until you find that out this is your opinion only. It could be you are in the minority and just being tight.

An opinion based on facts: To play open on a console, the player HAS to pay extra. Perks, deals and whatever percentage; gets it for free, is irrelevant.

 

[Kaocraft]

You live by the standards you choose to, but don't complain when anarchy, becomes the order of the day. F.D. and others like myself; will continue to stick to our principles.

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A.

 

[Arry]

There is no viable NPC opposition in solo or PG, so doing activities in these modes has one speed only.

Every time I read this nonsense, it winds me up.

It is correct for those 'hardened' top ranking players, but not for the newer players, or the ones that have little experience of game combat.

Your statement: Which you have made a number of times, basically says, that you have NEVER lost a ship, to an NPC. Is that correct?

 

[Kaocraft]

Neither Wings nor Multi-Crew are limited to a single game mode.

CQC is different - it's a tacked on PvP-only feature that is irrelevant in terms of the main game.

None of them are available in all modes. One of them is Open PvP only. All of them require console players to pay extra. These are the same objections people keep making in the PowerPlay discussion. They are not valid objections.

Mode parity is Not A Thing in Elite Dangerous.

 

[Arry]

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A.

So you have an issue, with having principles? Do you really understand what they are?

We are not taking about playing a game, because there, the only thing that matters is to win. We are talking about, how we conduct ourselves, in real life and that is very different.

 

[Robert Maynard]

None of them are available in all modes. One of them is Open PvP only. All of them require console players to pay extra. These are the same objections people keep making in the PowerPlay discussion. They are not valid objections.

Mode parity is Not A Thing in Elite Dangerous.

Neither is PvP-gating of content in the main game.

CQC is not particularly relevant as it has negligible impact on the game and does not form part of the main game.

The main distinction is that nothing in game is restricted to a single game mode.

.... but what it really boils down to is that PvP is entirely optional in the game and has been from the outset.