The one and only time I did not play in Open was when I was bringing my explorerconda back after a month out in the black.
Common sense, people.
Common sense, people.
Please stop driving newbies to private servers!
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I think ideally this wouldn't have to be the case. I mean, we can hop into PG to get to Jameson or Solo to haul back VOs but it's nice to wish for a different situation where we aren't going to be aimlessly blown up by somebody who named their ship, like, Chaos or something.
But we still need to look both ways on a one-way street, don't we?
No, I don’t agree on this. At all.
ROFLMAO!! Wow, what a comeback. Because, well, open is such a 'special' place right?
Victim blaming!
How long have people been saying this? And yet it always fails to come to pass.
Then Open isn't meant for you and you should stick to either solo or private
Was anything expressly out-of-character done during the encounter, or was it just a case of them not handing out a copy of their manefesto and waxing poetic while the target made a getaway?
The math seems pretty clear to me - don't fly anything you don't want to potentially lose in Open. Especially if it is as boring as a hour of grinding.
Thanks for the advice, even if it was not requested.
I’ll go on doing as I please, however.
Yeah this is kinda stupid man.
its really easy to just... fit a shield and some boosters with light engineering, maybe even an SCB if you're paranoid. All you have to do is submit to the interdiction and then immediately run. 9 times out of 10 if a ship is fast enough to catch you with 4 pips to engines and 2 to shields, they aren't fast enough to mass lock you. Or just high wake to the closest system. 10/10 times if you submit, do the above and also pop an SCB, you will not die. Shields far overpower any dps options available.
Heres what probably happened, The guy probably tried to fight a pirate or ganker in a poorly optomised ship and lost, then complains about it when it was his own fault for not just running when he had a cargo hold full of goodies.
whats even easier than that is if you don't want to be messed with (mining or running davs hope or something) just... play solo.
Running from pirates and gankers is stupid easy in this game. I refuse to believe any player who did the right things at the right time was killed before he could do so.
its really easy to just... fit a shield and some boosters with light engineering, maybe even an SCB if you're paranoid. All you have to do is submit to the interdiction and then immediately run. 9 times out of 10 if a ship is fast enough to catch you with 4 pips to engines and 2 to shields, they aren't fast enough to mass lock you. Or just high wake to the closest system. 10/10 times if you submit, do the above and also pop an SCB, you will not die. Shields far overpower any dps options available.
Heres what probably happened, The guy probably tried to fight a pirate or ganker in a poorly optomised ship and lost, then complains about it when it was his own fault for not just running when he had a cargo hold full of goodies.
whats even easier than that is if you don't want to be messed with (mining or running davs hope or something) just... play solo.
Running from pirates and gankers is stupid easy in this game. I refuse to believe any player who did the right things at the right time was killed before he could do so.
Well, dunno, I'm pretty sure you can still bungle something and be destroyed, especially by a determined wing.
I think the main problem is that if you are for example mining, the risks you are running are rather high whereas the risk that the murder hobo takes when targetting a mining ship is practically zero. But as noted, the different modes are there to be used.
Exactly Why I said 'doing the right things at the right time'. Unless you are flying a corvette for mining like I do, you should probably just run. There is no way that a properly outfitted ship could not run from a pirate in time if he was doing the right things.
He either tried to fight (probably) or he had skimped out on a good shield in lieu of more cargo space, thats HIS FAULT.
Determined wing after you? After the second evaded interdiction just log off and switch modes. Its too easy guys.
I honestly think pirates need to be buffed in some way cause of how stupidly easy it is to get away from them.
I don't think honest pirates are the crux of the issue - I don't think these discussions would be anywhere near as common as they are if it was just the pirates - rather the people who just murder.
And obviously if you buffed the tools of that trade, the people who would suffer the most would be the newbies in small ships rather than you in your endgame Vette. ;-)
You must have missed the part where I said that vettes can fight, but most everything else should just run, which is really easy to do successfully.
If you want to mine AND fight, you have to outfit your ship to properly be able to do that.
The vette can and still have ~250 cargo space, other ships either can't or just have to sacrifice a lot more cargo space... OR JUST RUN.
Seriously. damn near any A rated and lightly engineered ship can run from damn near any ship in the game, especially if they high wake.
Where people run into trouble is when they can succesfully fight off NPCs so they think they can fight player commanders and by the time they try and run its too late. That is their own lack of experience and judgement getting them killed, it is still their fault.
(also who the hell mines in small ships?)
If you want to mine AND fight, you have to outfit your ship to properly be able to do that.
The vette can and still have ~250 cargo space, other ships either can't or just have to sacrifice a lot more cargo space... OR JUST RUN.
Seriously. damn near any A rated and lightly engineered ship can run from damn near any ship in the game, especially if they high wake.
Where people run into trouble is when they can succesfully fight off NPCs so they think they can fight player commanders and by the time they try and run its too late. That is their own lack of experience and judgement getting them killed, it is still their fault.
(also who the hell mines in small ships?)
So, admittedly I am most likely still classified as a NOOB AND the fact that i'm over 45 probably doesn't help me.
I do not understand all of the politics you guys are talking about but here's my two sense anyway.
I have played in SOLO mainly for a few months. I am now playing in Open with my son most of the time.
Yes I have been attacked unprovoked without anything of real value in my cargo hold. And yes I have died more times than I wish to admit here publicly
However I have learned a few things.
1st the times I have died, I tried to stand my ground and fight pilots much more trained than myself in ships much better equipped than mine.
2nd Buy the upgrades you need for the mission/ job you are attempting. While bounty hunting, speed and shields are WAAAY more important than cargo space and guns!!
3rd Yes there are a-holes that I have run into, but... I have found a lot more players in this game willing to help you out.
So for me, the a-holes out there "ganking" innocent NOOBS are part of it. Live and learn. Acquire some skills in Solo and get a wing man.
I guess I don't know, the people both good and bad are what makes this game appealing to me. We need challenges and maybe as someone else said, I just haven't been around long enough to understand the frustration. Until then, i'll keep learning and hope to keep playing in open to get the full "social" aspect of the game. Including the jerks,whom I hope to get even with some day, when skill and ship catch up to my desire!!
I do not understand all of the politics you guys are talking about but here's my two sense anyway.
I have played in SOLO mainly for a few months. I am now playing in Open with my son most of the time.
Yes I have been attacked unprovoked without anything of real value in my cargo hold. And yes I have died more times than I wish to admit here publicly
However I have learned a few things.
1st the times I have died, I tried to stand my ground and fight pilots much more trained than myself in ships much better equipped than mine.
2nd Buy the upgrades you need for the mission/ job you are attempting. While bounty hunting, speed and shields are WAAAY more important than cargo space and guns!!
3rd Yes there are a-holes that I have run into, but... I have found a lot more players in this game willing to help you out.
So for me, the a-holes out there "ganking" innocent NOOBS are part of it. Live and learn. Acquire some skills in Solo and get a wing man.
I guess I don't know, the people both good and bad are what makes this game appealing to me. We need challenges and maybe as someone else said, I just haven't been around long enough to understand the frustration. Until then, i'll keep learning and hope to keep playing in open to get the full "social" aspect of the game. Including the jerks,whom I hope to get even with some day, when skill and ship catch up to my desire!!
Well, newbies? It's by far the easiest way to make money, even if you do it in a Cobra or an Asp.
You don't really have to lecture me about the necessity of escaping, I'm well aware of it - merely pointing out that the weakest and most suspectible victims of murder hobos are in the end new players who tend to lack in both skill, knowledge and resources. Toss that against a meta FDL and that escape might not be that trivial exercise, or a matter of lazy min-maxing.
I think the asp is a medium. I'd argue that the easiest way to make money is exploration but thats besides the point honestly.
A new player might die a few times before he realises where he is in the food chain. That is an important lesson to learn.
Also how easy is, submit, all pips to some combination of shields and engines, boost away with small maneuvers occasionally while high waking to a nearby system? This is also an important lesson to learn.
Also, most murder hobosstick by CGs and stuff, so maybe dont go there so much in open.
The frustration comes when you cannot admit that you did something dumb that got yourself killed and try to pin the blame on anyone but yourself. You have the 100% correct attitude, learning from your mistakes and adapting to overcome challenges.
That first, most important, lesson you learned... Some people never learn it.