And far more of me not using the feature and more of me sticking to a single ship.
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And far more of me not using the feature and more of me sticking to a single ship.
Self-destruct and watch how your ship is instantly and completely rebuilt at a station an unlimited distance away, regardless of its shipyard and outfitting.
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One of my pet hates in the gaming industry. FD isn't remotely unique in doing so, but I think it's very dishonest. "We'd like you to buy this game, so here's a video with lots of stuff that isn't in it". You don't see the same from the film industry (they just show you all the good bits that are in the film, so there's no point in seeing it).
I'll just post what I posted in the other thread as it perfectly answers this..
FSD Space Tugs
Someone has probably already suggested this… but I've not spotted it. I've seen some talk of really big ship transfer vessels, but I'm not sure that these make in-game economic sense. Surely the companies making them could also clean up on bulk goods transport, undermining Elite central premise of the independent CMDR? (Although that might explain how many of the bubble's economies do manage to function—given there's rarely a reason to bulk ship low value cargo currently…) Also, I doubt we're likely to see these huge ships in game anytime soon—even once ship transfer is in effect.
So anyway: FSD Space Tugs!
Imagine little FSD tug ships: really small, maybe only Viper sized. Basically all FSD and full tank, with the minimum power plant and thrusters necessary to function—think slower and less manoeuvrable than a Type-9 in regular space.
But what they can do is attach themselves to larger vessels and 'pull' them into massive hyperspace jumps. What's more, several of them could work together to transport the larger vessels and/or to make bigger jumps.
This could easily explain the ship transfer process making bigger jumps than your own ship's FSD can, but without invoking huge 'invisible' carrier ships, which really ought to also drastically alter the dynamics of interstellar trade.
Thoughts?
Someone has probably already suggested this… but I've not spotted it. I've seen some talk of really big ship transfer vessels, but I'm not sure that these make in-game economic sense. Surely the companies making them could also clean up on bulk goods transport, undermining Elite central premise of the independent CMDR? (Although that might explain how many of the bubble's economies do manage to function—given there's rarely a reason to bulk ship low value cargo currently…) Also, I doubt we're likely to see these huge ships in game anytime soon—even once ship transfer is in effect.
So anyway: FSD Space Tugs!
Imagine little FSD tug ships: really small, maybe only Viper sized. Basically all FSD and full tank, with the minimum power plant and thrusters necessary to function—think slower and less manoeuvrable than a Type-9 in regular space.
But what they can do is attach themselves to larger vessels and 'pull' them into massive hyperspace jumps. What's more, several of them could work together to transport the larger vessels and/or to make bigger jumps.
This could easily explain the ship transfer process making bigger jumps than your own ship's FSD can, but without invoking huge 'invisible' carrier ships, which really ought to also drastically alter the dynamics of interstellar trade.
Thoughts?
I generally use a single ship but when the need I go get one of my other ships. A delayed transport is far more convenient then not having it.
Again if it is instant, you will still be in a single ship most of the time. Also if needed you can use a shipyard to buy a different ship. I have already done this on plenty of occasions when it wasnt convenient to get my other ship.
If you choose to stay in one ship, that is up to you, nobody or the game forces you.
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Its a strawman argument. You can't play the game while you are dead. When your ship is is transit it can.
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If you choose to use instant transfer, that is up to you, nobody or the game forces you.
See how this works?
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Not helpful in anyway. You know how they plan to make it work (minus cost factor and time factor). just trying to make it look like FDev are making it a starport service sim is stupid.
Can I point out that The poll is do we want instant or delayed. it doesn't lay out any of the other mechanisms around which this is achieved other than cost restrictions. I want instant but I also want restrictions on its use. Like a cool down on each ship so you can't rinse and repeat Sothis and Ceos. Retrict the transfer to inner bubble so that Sothis, Jacques etc are out of bounds, Why because the point of them is to travel to x system. Call it Frieghters restrict their deliveries due to safety factors.
That's is a choice you decide to make. I certainly won't and I can imagine most people won't either. I really think that is the most radiculous argument I have read so far.
Do whatever makes you happy.
Why not make the ship transfer a ship rebuilt? Instead of transfering the ship it is sold at the current shipyard and rebuilt at player location. This service could cost some time and money. Time depends on customization of the ship, say 10 minutes for more exotic ships because parts are hard to get. In the mean time customer can drink nice cup of teaCost depends on distance and ships worth, distance% + worth% or something like that, because the shipyard doesn't offer this service for free of course. Lore wise no problem I think.
They'll already be offering a remote ship selling service as well, so you can already do this in the game, provided the station you're at offers the ship and modules you're looking for.
Lore-wise, if this kind of mechanic would be used in general as a kind of transfer service, you run into issues with unique Engineered modules, ships and parts availability, and of course ships being special to people who don't just want them rebuilt instead of having the same ship.
why arent you complaining already because i am taxing around the bubble with my AspX already.
And i will continue taxing around with my AspX even if they implement ship transfer delay. The only thing that is different will be the fact that with delay my galaxy map will continue being cluttered (im not keen on remote selling my ships because i will loose money because you cant strip modules away from ship remotely).
Also with delayed transfer there will be way less flying around. Because you cant explore far away from the transfer location.
Why would anyone jump about in a low fsd ranged ship when you can transfer ships ? .. why do 20 jumps when you can do it in 7 ? .. i think it is ridiculous to do otherwise. i'm talking real gameplay time here .. I'd rather watch a movie or something than see the jump animation 20 times.
Here you are with this again, even though as instant, it would have also been optional how or if you choose to use the feature. Stick to the realism arguments, they are far more logical.
Since Engineers, players are advising to use an aspx to collect the materials needed for engineers. I do it too as its alot of jumping about. Some then switch ships and visit the engineers to upgrade or they switch modules in the station of their other ship,module storage is also coming thus making a further argument that people will be in high FSD range ships and then take modules to be outfitted on their other ships with or without any ship transfer.
Respawn is not the issue being discussed.
I respect that, but you haven't answered my question. How are you playing the game right now? Even a delay mechanism would speed up the game as it is now.
My apologies if this has been asked already, but hopefully cargo will NOT transfer with the ship, correct? Otherwise it would be easy to cheat by loading up a T9 with expensive and/or irreplaceable mission cargo, then flying your empty Asp to a far-away system, and then doing a ship transfer to transfer the T9 and its expensive cargo to the remote station where you can then sell/turn in all that high-dollar cargo for a large profit with no risk of losing it. I would vote that any cargo in the transferred ship be either automatically discarded or automatically sold at the going rate at the source station's commodity market. (I wouldn't want to deny transfer for that ship outright because sometimes commanders can forget that they still had some cargo in their hold.)
Pretty good chance that the 10% loss on Module sale will come back now we have module storage ... so you probably won't lose anything selling remotely.
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My apologies if this has been asked already, but hopefully cargo will NOT transfer with the ship, correct? Otherwise it would be easy to cheat by loading up a T9 with expensive and/or irreplaceable mission cargo, then flying your empty Asp to a far-away system, and then doing a ship transfer to transfer the T9 and its expensive cargo to the remote station where you can then sell/turn in all that high-dollar cargo for a large profit with no risk of losing it. I would vote that any cargo in the transferred ship be either automatically discarded or automatically sold at the going rate at the source station's commodity market. (I wouldn't want to deny transfer for that ship outright because sometimes commanders can forget that they still had some cargo in their hold.)
You can't store a ship with cargo in it .. so no you can't transfer cargo.
I've been trying to make up my mind on which way to vote, and I just can't seem to do it. I recognize the pros and cons of both sides. This issue is simply too divisive, and I believe it will have far greater ramifications than anyone here, even Frontier, has imagined.
Don't be so preoccupied with how this could be implemented that you don't stop to think if it should be implemented.
On that note, I have to agree with TheNavvie that there should be a third option in the poll - don't add ship transfers. I'd vote for that.
My apologies if this has been asked already, but hopefully cargo will NOT transfer with the ship, correct? Otherwise it would be easy to cheat by loading up a T9 with expensive and/or irreplaceable mission cargo, then flying your empty Asp to a far-away system, and then doing a ship transfer to transfer the T9 and its expensive cargo to the remote station where you can then sell/turn in all that high-dollar cargo for a large profit with no risk of losing it. I would vote that any cargo in the transferred ship be either automatically discarded or automatically sold at the going rate at the source station's commodity market. (I wouldn't want to deny transfer for that ship outright because sometimes commanders can forget that they still had some cargo in their hold.)
I would be very surprised if they allowed cargo to transfer with the ship, for exactly the reason you quote.
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