No, it's like saying that a game composed entirely of waiting should take some of the waiting out. There's still plenty of "difficulty" (read; tedium) in Elite if ship transfer is instant. I can't just teleport to Jacques with my mining rig now, I have to actually make it there first. Then, I have to make it back.
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No, it's like saying that a game composed entirely of waiting should take some of the waiting out. There's still plenty of "difficulty" (read; tedium) in Elite if ship transfer is instant. I can't just teleport to Jacques with my mining rig now, I have to actually make it there first. Then, I have to make it back.
You are really that uncreative? That unable to find way of entertaining? Is you thought process generally that limited?
And I'll just claim your point is a false equivalence. Gets us nowhere unless you explain why it's a false equivalence. You might say the following is a false equivalence:
"We should have a button that gains us a billion credits instantly. It saves us time so we don't have to spend forever grinding for money to buy ships. And if you don't want to use it, just don't! You don't have to."
I think your argument for instant transfer is like the above. Is it, actually? If so, then we obviously just fundamentally disagree on this stuff and there's no point going further. If not, you'll probably claim it's a false equivalence - and will you be able to say why? Genuine question, there is no need to be sarcastic here.
You're trying to equate ship transfer to player transfer here. It's another false equivalence, just like almost every other argument against instant transfer. You're not going to win this argument logically, or from a gameplay perspective.
So, magically, the ship that you want to appear at Jacques is magically following you along the x days trip to appear when you need it ? Nah....
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No, they're creative enough to find something to do. THAT'S WHY THEY CALLED THE G SHIP.
I find things on the fly all the time in Elite too...make things up as I go along. I am in the same boat as many others have expressed...limited time to play...and still, most of us are able to find plenty of thing to keep us extremely interested and always coming back for more.
When I first envisioned ship transfer, I had assumed it would be used for gathering one's asset's in a "home" system. In that case waiting does not matter. Make it 12 hours or a day. Distance is a major consideration for me and how I play the game, I may (and have) skipped community event's due to it's location, it made more since to continue, mining and/or trading. My first goal when building a ship is to obtain an "A" rated FSD with careful consideration going into maintaining ship performance vs jump range / mass. It just seems like a large alteration to current game-play mechanics - why would I place anything other than a "D" rated FSD on my mining ship...?
I don't think (I may be wrong) But ship transfer wasn't meant to bypass the vastness of our galaxy. To me instant transfer seems game breaking, I think having the choice to wait / do something else, or go ahead and fly your ship to the desired location is a great compromise.
NOTE: If we do move forward with instant ship transfers, I would humbly request the same technology be applied to commodities trading.....why should traders suffer the vastness of space? Give me a spread sheet in the cockpit of my Asp explorer and Instant commodity relocation and I will end hunger in the known universe!
I don't think (I may be wrong) But ship transfer wasn't meant to bypass the vastness of our galaxy. To me instant transfer seems game breaking, I think having the choice to wait / do something else, or go ahead and fly your ship to the desired location is a great compromise.
NOTE: If we do move forward with instant ship transfers, I would humbly request the same technology be applied to commodities trading.....why should traders suffer the vastness of space? Give me a spread sheet in the cockpit of my Asp explorer and Instant commodity relocation and I will end hunger in the known universe!
What's the difference between ship and player transfer ? I think that's exactly the point here, if a player in a ship does a number of lightyears in a certain amount of time, why would a ship be able to break those rules ? There's nothing wrong with the logic in that
Why not? Should I make the journey in a ship with garbage jump range just to participate in some CG after a week of travel? After spending a week's worth of play-time getting there, why should I ALSO have to wait for the ship I want, WHILE paying possibly hundreds of millions of dollars to get it there? What you suggest makes ship transfer irrelevant compared to just going there in the mining rig, which would cause me to miss said CG entirely.
All they can do during the 5 to 100 minute transfer time is sit and stare at their screen...not very creative if you ask me. Sounds more like a kid threatening to hold his breath until he gets what he wants.
You... I... but.... Really?
Spot on. People have jumped all over instant because they say it'll break pvp balance and have totally swallowed the delay without considering it has its own issues with pvp balance.
Instant will mean faster deployment for everyone. Delay will mean murderers will have much less opposition and with a much greater delay once they have set up. Particularly if they go the extra mile and head out to Jaques.
Which ship transport makes a thing regardless of delay.
Instant just evens everything out and allows more people to get stuck in and quicker. I see no issue with that.
Well, if you choose to make the journey with a ship with garbage jump range you should assume your choices and not have a quick-fix.
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What's the difference between ship and player transfer ? I think that's exactly the point here, if a player in a ship does a number of lightyears in a certain amount of time, why would a ship be able to break those rules ? There's nothing wrong with the logic in that
Form a gameplay standpoint, there is. If the delay and cost outweighs the time and money it would take the player to do the same, ship transfer has no point whatsoever. And please, stop talking about "balance" here. AI already break the rules plenty, and the logic of the entire game (including ship statistics) is already broken beyond belief. If you want, I can bring up a word-block of things wrong with the logic in ED.
Pretty much how I saw it before the instant was announced as well.
Ding ding ding...we have a winner here. Transfer in general, whether instant or delayed will totally change the core mechanics of the game, which is why ultimately it is a terrible idea. That siad, there is no way around it...ship transfer is happening, so from that perspective, the consideratin is which version will do the least amount of damage, lead to fewer exploits...those already identified, and those unforseen. Delayed will mitigate issues far more.
Nobody said that the time and money of delayed ship transfer should outweigh the real time that would be invested. just not instant. And I don't think I used the word 'balanced' in any way.
And if you think the entire game is already broken beyond belief, why bother .......
No, they wanted to do something different, which is why they called the ship. The delay simply stifles this "creativity" you speak of by, well, delaying it. The reason for calling the ship in the first place was because they were "creative" enough to want to do something other than what they were. If they want to do that thing, why force them into something else? That was one of the main issues with 2.1 and materials. In fact, I've had this same thing happen to me; I used to do combat a lot. I had my combat ships pretty spread out across the bubble. Occasionally, I'd want to switch ships. I'd look at how far it was to the ship I wanted, look back at my jump range, and exit the game because A) I had something to do in the next hour, or B) I honestly couldn't be bothered to spend 40 minutes getting another ship, and went to play another game.
TL;DR: A "creative" person tabs out to watch YouTube or play another game during that time, because it's more entertaining. The game is supposed to entertain the player, not the other way around.
Remote selling of ships is an additional feature planned to be implemented. You won't need to transfer anything if you just want to sell them to reduce clutter.
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