Play in open and have fun, whatever happens.
Possible solution to the great Open PvE vs Open Only debate - a district for both?
What I have noticed is that these forums are generally called echo chamber by salty projectors.
I don't see the point in the "consensual PvP" zone - after all, if you specifically want that there's already options to cater for it:
- playing Open in an ultra-busy system when you feel like PvP and playing Open-quieter system or PG/Solo-busy otherwise
- playing in a PG with other people following whatever pre-agreed rules of engagement you want
...and it has the usual "PvE mode" problems that people would likely have more fun finding exploits to kill people anyway than others would playing in that zone.
I would be quite happy for a 25-system Open-only bubble to be created somewhere off the edge of the bubble with nice long supercruise times (I'd say a bit over 500LY from Sol, so that it doesn't accidentally get normal PMFs added to it - there could either be a separate PMF addition process, or there could just be a bunch of pre-made factions with a competition to name them) so that the people who want that can have the competition they think they want, though. I'd make it have a dual permit lock: it's always inaccessible in PG/Solo, but it also requires obtaining a permit when visiting in Open by scanning some beacon placed just outside it, so that people don't accidentally fly through it.
It wouldn't solve the Open debate in any way, but the debate between the "this is the PvP zone, stand and fight me" and the "Apex, healing beams, pad blocking, and other PvP tactics which don't in any way involve an interesting fight are all legitimate" crowds would provide a neat distraction from it. (At least with it all being permit-locked they can't abuse carriers too)
- playing Open in an ultra-busy system when you feel like PvP and playing Open-quieter system or PG/Solo-busy otherwise
- playing in a PG with other people following whatever pre-agreed rules of engagement you want
...and it has the usual "PvE mode" problems that people would likely have more fun finding exploits to kill people anyway than others would playing in that zone.
I would be quite happy for a 25-system Open-only bubble to be created somewhere off the edge of the bubble with nice long supercruise times (I'd say a bit over 500LY from Sol, so that it doesn't accidentally get normal PMFs added to it - there could either be a separate PMF addition process, or there could just be a bunch of pre-made factions with a competition to name them) so that the people who want that can have the competition they think they want, though. I'd make it have a dual permit lock: it's always inaccessible in PG/Solo, but it also requires obtaining a permit when visiting in Open by scanning some beacon placed just outside it, so that people don't accidentally fly through it.
It wouldn't solve the Open debate in any way, but the debate between the "this is the PvP zone, stand and fight me" and the "Apex, healing beams, pad blocking, and other PvP tactics which don't in any way involve an interesting fight are all legitimate" crowds would provide a neat distraction from it. (At least with it all being permit-locked they can't abuse carriers too)
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PvP and PvE zones shows a complete misunderstanding about the issue I - and presumably some others at lease - have with the very idea.
in elite when I am playing there are no players there are PF members and none PF members.
the way open works at the moment is gamified nonsense. it is ludicrous.that the PF would let members of its own faction needlessly Gank it's other members.
The PG I am a member on does not fix this completely as there are instances when a PF member may actually need to attack another PF member which would potentially be sanctioned by the PF.... and that is lost unfortunately..... however it is a fair approximation
as such OP suggestion is a none starter for me personally. I think PGs need proper tools to organise as well as increase their membership limits but other than that PGs work quite well for me at least.
bringing CQC into the main game as a sort of underground fight club where you buy your ships and have competitions could be fun. not sanctioned by the PF (and so not covered on insurance). as well as expanding the "VR" CQC that we have now to allowing a mode where you use a virtual version of your own ship to battle could also be cool imo.
but unless the game treats murder hoboes sensibly with regards to how the PF reacts then I am done with open after being bumper car at a landing pad that players happily blocked. utter nonsense.
imo ED's biggest flaw is other players. NPCs can if made properly be forced to role play sensibly. humans can't esp when there are no repercussions.
my go to example is battlefield hard-line. an attempted to make a police Vs criminals shooter.
it was bobbins (imo)
in elite when I am playing there are no players there are PF members and none PF members.
the way open works at the moment is gamified nonsense. it is ludicrous.that the PF would let members of its own faction needlessly Gank it's other members.
The PG I am a member on does not fix this completely as there are instances when a PF member may actually need to attack another PF member which would potentially be sanctioned by the PF.... and that is lost unfortunately..... however it is a fair approximation
as such OP suggestion is a none starter for me personally. I think PGs need proper tools to organise as well as increase their membership limits but other than that PGs work quite well for me at least.
bringing CQC into the main game as a sort of underground fight club where you buy your ships and have competitions could be fun. not sanctioned by the PF (and so not covered on insurance). as well as expanding the "VR" CQC that we have now to allowing a mode where you use a virtual version of your own ship to battle could also be cool imo.
but unless the game treats murder hoboes sensibly with regards to how the PF reacts then I am done with open after being bumper car at a landing pad that players happily blocked. utter nonsense.
imo ED's biggest flaw is other players. NPCs can if made properly be forced to role play sensibly. humans can't esp when there are no repercussions.
my go to example is battlefield hard-line. an attempted to make a police Vs criminals shooter.
it was bobbins (imo)
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PvE mode with dedicated PvP zones is the no-brainer solution. Not some haf- 20 systems with special rules.
That changes the game for everyone so it's a non starter.
Then leaving as is the way to go.
and the OP suggestion wouldn't ?
Did you read it? Why would an isolated district change the game for everyone?
because you are zoning the game into "PvP zones". it's a huge 4th wall breaking issue for me.
I mean... if it was put into open but PGs and solo were left as it it would not bother me. but it would likely annoy a lot of players in open and PGs and solo removal are simply not options (imo - at least I hope not)
not sure what your point is...... :/You can't get ganked if you don't play the game.
My first thoughts on your suggestion was 'Which systems would be in which districts?' Imaging if Shinrata Dehzra, Sol, or any engineers, were in the PVP district, thus blocking current solo or PG players from entering those systems. I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous idea.
We currently have separate 'Districts' in the way of Open, Group and Solo which works perfectly fine as most would agree.
We currently have separate 'Districts' in the way of Open, Group and Solo which works perfectly fine as most would agree.
Ridiculing the dead horse.
these threads come only from people that want to force more players to join open,
not once from a solo player that wants to play in open but wont dare.
in other words, you are making up a problem that doesn´t eixist.
just accept that there are people that don´t want to play in open.
seriously, accept it, this won´t change.
we don´t wait for some change to finally move to open.
that narrative is purely invented out of your desire to get more people to play open.
but it doesn´t reflect the reality.
not once from a solo player that wants to play in open but wont dare.
in other words, you are making up a problem that doesn´t eixist.
just accept that there are people that don´t want to play in open.
seriously, accept it, this won´t change.
we don´t wait for some change to finally move to open.
that narrative is purely invented out of your desire to get more people to play open.
but it doesn´t reflect the reality.
Clearly didn't read the OP properly.. I did not suggest changing key systems into open only. Quite the opposite infact.
Is that why I suggested half the systems be consensual pvp only? Keep throwing strawmen though. .
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The pilots federation district already behaves in a manner that 'breaks the 4th wall'. If you kill players you get teleported away... let's not pretend this game is some realistic universe simulator.