Predicting the remaining dlc content

I'm still holding out a little hope that Frontier will go the Paradox Interactive route. Packing the game with content until the game engine can't take it anymore.
That said, if they don't and we do only have four more packs left...
1) Far East (China, Japan, Korea, Siberia) 4+1
2) Aviary if we are lucky, if not... Europe... 7+1
3) Island pack (Phillipines, Indonesia, Madagascar) 4+1
4) 2nd Africa Pack 4+1

I would love for a North American pack, but I'm not holding my breath for it considering that Africa has a lot more underrepresented megafauna.
 
Definitely a North America or Americas pack; maybe do 3 SA and 5 NA animals, since with the arctic pack we have 8 SA and 8 NA animals in the game, not including exhibit animals. That way we can get that elusive capybara. Though they will probably just limit it to North America, I was just thinking this might be a way to get a few more South and Central American animals in. I honestly cannot imagine why there's a thought we might not get something with North American animals in it. I think it's the most "sure bet" pack that's left.

After that Europe seems like the most likely, though not necessarily released right after. If NA is next, that would make Europe a final year pack release (in Dec), and I don't see it being "big" enough. If anything Europe may come first and then NA.

Aviaries and marine as still questionable. I'm fine with either or both but really do hope we do get aviaries in particular. If we get them they seem like they'd be good year end packs, certainly highly requested.

After that it's most likely more biome related packs, deserts, highlands/mountains and jungles/forests would be good picks, but certainly not for sure.

I think North America/America pack and Europe are the only two we can say with good probability we'll see. NA/A for certain.

If I had my preferences I'd say the next and final 6 packs could be:

rest of 2021 - Americas pack and then Aviaries
2022 - Europe, Desert and Jungle/Forest (or switch Europe and Jungle/Forest) for March, June and Sept.
2023 -Fan vote pack - leaving a 6 month gap to the time needed to run a poll and design the animals, without having much idea of what animals to design, this could release in first quarter 2023 instead.
 
I don't think it will be a specific "aviary" building system, but rather a "covered habitat" building system that can also be used for birds. I think given the limited number of birds likely to be included, they'll probably want to allow us to mix birds in with other habitat species to create more dynamic habitats.

That said, I'm still not seeing any proof of free-flying in any of Frontier's games.
Yeah that's exactly what I meant indeed, I just called them aviaries because I had no other way to name it lol 🙈

Frontier devs did a live-stream about JWE2 where they confirmed that both the aquatic and the flying reptiles in JWE2 would be like regular animals with their own AI, unlike the looped animation system in JWE. ;)
 
@Iben that would be great if they implemented the same system on PZ. Your also probably right about the birds being mixed in with animal packs. I guess will find out with the NA pack as one would think a bald eagle would be the flagship species if they were to introduce a aviary type bird with that pack.
 
One of the reasons I’ve suggested / predicted a Eurasia pack, is that I struggle to think of enough good picks for a Europe pack (even a 4+1 pack) that aren’t at least as much Asian or NA as they are European… out of interest, what species would you put in a 7+1 Europe pack?
I belive there would be enough species to choose from. They wouldn't be exclusively European, but I don't that would really matter, as there would still be enough species from Asia and North America.
  • Wolverine
  • Moose
  • Lnyx (Iberian or Eurasian)
  • Beaver (would be the European, so not really the one the people are wanting in their meta wishlists, but I don't think this would make a big difference)
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Red fox
  • Red deer
  • Apline marmot
  • Capercaillie
  • Wild boar
  • European badger
  • Dalmatian pelican...
I think it would be a solid pack, and would be a good representation of the European fauna (as we already have the species of wolf and bear that occur in Europe, the Wisent would be very charismatic, but would I would take an more unique animal). Probably the only continent I wouldn't be really missing any species.
For NA I would then hope for something Cougar, Sea Lion, American Alligator and probably Collared peccary or White-nosed coati. If we'll have flying birds till then, I would really hope for an owl or an eagle.
 
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I belive there would be enough species to choose from. They wouldn't be exclusively European, but I don't that would really matter, as there would still be enough species from Asia and North America.
  • Wolverine
  • Moose
  • Lnyx (Iberian or Euroasian)
  • Beaver (would be the European, so not really the one the people are wanting in their meta wishlists, but I don't think this would make a big difference)
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Red fox
  • Red deer/Apline marmot/ Capercaillie/ Wild boar/European badger/Dalmatian pelican...
I think it would be a solid pack, and would be a good representation of the European fauna (as we already have the species of wolf and bear that occur in Europe, the Wisent would be very charismatic, but would I would take an more unique animal). Probably the only continent I wouldn't be really missing any species.
For NA I would then hope for something Cougar, Sea Lion, American Alligator and probably Collared peccary or White-nosed coati. If we'll have flying birds till then, I would really hope for an owl or an eagle.
TBH I think that list proves my point - it would be much better / more accurately labelled as a Eurasian (or even. ‘Boreal’, ‘Laurasian’ or ‘Northern Continents’) pack than as a Europe pack. Without checking, I think the only animal on the main list (until the last dot point, where the endemic ones are pretty meh) that is endemic to Europe is the ibex (other than the Iberian lynx, and i’d much rather the whole species than a subspecies).
 
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TBH I think that list proves my point - it would be much better / more accurately labelled as a Eurasian (or even. ‘Boreal’, ‘Laurasian’ or ‘Northern Continents’) pack than as a Europe pack. Without checking, I think the only animal on the main list (until the last dot point, where the endemic ones are pretty meh) that is endemic to Europe is the ibex (other than the Iberian lynx, and i’d much rather the whole species than a subspecies).
I don't disagree with you, but as a point of order the Iberian lynx is a separate species, not a subspecies. It is Lynx pardinus, whereas the Eurasian lynx is Lynx lynx.

But yeah, if there aren't enough specifically European species then it isn't worth an animal pack I don't think.
 
Yeah that's exactly what I meant indeed, I just called them aviaries because I had no other way to name it lol 🙈

Frontier devs did a live-stream about JWE2 where they confirmed that both the aquatic and the flying reptiles in JWE2 would be like regular animals with their own AI, unlike the looped animation system in JWE. ;)
I heard about that regarding the marine reptiles, but not the flying ones. Additionally their own AI doesn't necessarily mean "free flying" - the aviaries in JWE2 look potentially modular, but not customisable like the habitats. At the moment it kind of looks like a weird hybrid between what we would consider "habitat" and "exhibit" (for the record, I'd be fine with that for PZ, but I'm not yet expecting more).
 
TBH I think that list proves my point - it would be much better / more accurately labelled as a Eurasian
Does someone have to this every time? There's a small group on this forum which does this every single time.

You don't ask because you are curious, you ask because you want to prove your own point.
 
I belive there would be enough species to choose from. They wouldn't be exclusively European, but I don't that would really matter, as there would still be enough species from Asia and North America.
  • Wolverine
  • Moose
  • Lnyx (Iberian or Eurasian)
  • Beaver (would be the European, so not really the one the people are wanting in their meta wishlists, but I don't think this would make a big difference)
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Red fox
  • Red deer
  • Apline marmot
  • Capercaillie
  • Wild boar
  • European badger
  • Dalmatian pelican...
If Europe got an animal pack, I think a good candidate could be the mute swan too. I've seen some people asking for swans and ducks for ponds and lakes.
 
If Europe got an animal pack, I think a good candidate could be the mute swan too. I've seen some people asking for swans and ducks for ponds and lakes.
Count me in for the mute swan. Beautiful and terrifying animals! They'd make a great addition to a zoo lake or pond, or even as oddball inclusions to a penguin or flamingo habitat or something!
 
People, your forgetting the Chamois, fallow deer and mouflon.
All three of them are very common in european zoos and would be nice choices to buff up the raster of an animal pack.
If you ask me the packs would be something along the line of:
4+1:
-fallow deer
-red fox
-alpine ibex
-european badger
-fire salamander (exhibit)

extra 3 for 7+1:
-Lynx
-Wild boar
-Red deer

to note i have picked animals that would not fit well in an americas or asian dlc, so take that europe-not-serious-takers
 
Personally I really don’t think a Europe DLC has to feature animals exclusively found in Europe. If (and I don’t believe it until I see it) as suggested, an upcoming North America pack would be an aquatic dlc part 2, it makes sense that moose/elk could make an appearance in a Europe pack.

If you did have species only found in Europe (and not going to subspecies level) I would suggest these.

Iberian lynx
Alpine ibex
Wisent
Alpine marmot
Fire salamander

But my preference for Europe would be a 7+1 pack that could also include Eurasian/boreal species associated with Europe. Possible species include otter, beaver, wolverine, arctic fox, chamois, Eurasian lynx, wild boar, deer, white stork, crane, pelican.

Ultimately the European lineup would depend on what makes its way into any North American, further Asian or other biome-based DLCs.
 
Does someone have to this every time? There's a small group on this forum which does this every single time.

You don't ask because you are curious, you ask because you want to prove your own point.
I was responding to a comment that was a direct response to my earlier suggestion. Yes, I ask what animals someone would choose for a animal only Europe DLC because I genuinely can’t think of 8 worthwhile additions that are more European than Eurasian. I will feel free to express my preference for exactly as long as you express yours.
 
But my preference for Europe would be a 7+1 pack that could also include Eurasian/boreal species associated with Europe. Possible species include otter, beaver, wolverine, arctic fox, chamois, Eurasian lynx, wild boar, deer, white stork, crane, pelican.
A pack with those species would be a Eurasian pack… whatever it’s label. If you want that pack labelled “Europe” then ok, whatever… but it’ll just leave a large component of people saying that they haven’t been represented yet because there hasn’t been a ‘north & Central Asia’ pack, even though they will have had lots of animals from that region.
 
Yes, I ask what animals someone would choose for a animal only Europe DLC because I genuinely can’t think of 8 worthwhile additions that are more European than Eurasian. I will feel free to express my preference for exactly as long as you express yours.
I got the same about the Australian one. I would struggle to get 8 appealing/worthwhile animals.
 
People, your forgetting the Chamois, fallow deer and mouflon.
All three of them are very common in european zoos and would be nice choices to buff up the raster of an animal pack.
If you ask me the packs would be something along the line of:
4+1:
-fallow deer
-red fox
-alpine ibex
-european badger
-fire salamander (exhibit)

extra 3 for 7+1:
-Lynx
-Wild boar
-Red deer

to note i have picked animals that would not fit well in an americas or asian dlc, so take that europe-not-serious-takers
That’s a pretty good mix… I’d swap in the lynx for the red fox for a pretty good 4+1 pack, but I still thinks it’s a bit underwhelming. I’m not suggesting an 8+1 Eurasian or boreal pack because I dislike Europe, I just genuinely think it’d be a better pack, which would include more interesting species and (assuming limited numbers of DLCs overall, would free up space to explore some more interesting alternative packs (threatened species, islands, etc…)
 
This Europe DLC discussion again...

Europe, Eurasia, you can call it whatever you like, really. The animals would be pretty much the same anyway.

This has been said dozens of times but Frontier has never aimed to create DLC animals that are specific and endemic to one continent/region, I don't know why a case for that has to be made for Europe only. Look at the Dall sheep, the capuchin monkey, the jaguar, the cassowary, the dhole, fennec fox...

It's tiring to see again people claiming a moose, a wolverine or a beaver would be completely fine and would make all the sense to be included in a NA pack. But if these animals are suggested in a Europe pack the lack of endemism argument is brought up again.
But even if Frontier really cared for endemism, which it doesn't, there would still be plenty of European animals to choose from, some of which have been named here.

I reckon a Europe animal pack could be too much but a 4+1 pack with Iberian lynx, Alpine ibex, Red deer, European badger and Fire Salamander would still sell pretty well.
 
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