Predicting the remaining dlc content

[ElectricMonk]

I got the same about the Australian one. I would struggle to get 8 appealing/worthwhile animals.

Fair enough. That’s your opinion, mine is that an Oceania pack with any 8 of the followingwould be a better pack.

Tasmanian devil
Bennett’s wallaby
Southern hairy nosed wombat
Emu
North Island. Brown kiwi
Eastern grey Kangaroo
Tree kangaroo (any)
Echidna (any)
Platypus
Yellow-footed rock wallaby
quoll (either)


Wetta (ex)
Tuatara (ex)

 

[Britches]

Europe, Eurasia, you can call it whatever you like, really. The animals would be pretty much the same anyway.

This. And honestly, I've never seen an animal with a passport anyway. They just don't care, as long as the surroundings fit their needs.

 

[markun]

A pack with those species would be a Eurasian pack… whatever it’s label. If you want that pack labelled “Europe” then ok, whatever… but it’ll just leave a large component of people saying that they haven’t been represented yet because there hasn’t been a ‘north & Central Asia’ pack, even though they will have had lots of animals from that region.

I would prefer it to be labelled a Europe pack precisely because I would like to see a north/east/central Asia pack potentially with species like cranes, takin, Japanese serow, sika, golden snub-nosed monkey, raccoon dog, markor, przewalski's wild horse. So the animals wouldn't be the same.

Although there are overlaps I really think the added biodiversity of cooler parts of Asia merits a place of its own and Europe does too, even if the contents of a Europe pack are decided by a process of illimitation with potential species also being North American or Asian.

 

[ElectricMonk]

This Europe DLC discussion again...

Europe, Eurasia, you can call it whatever you like, really. The animals would be pretty much the same anyway.

This is, literally, my point.

This has been said dozens of times but Frontier has never aimed to create DLC animals that are specific and endemic to one continent/region, I don't know why a case for that has to be made for Europe only. Look at the Dall sheep, the capuchin monkey, the jaguar, the cassowary, the dhole, fennec fox...

Dall sheep is weird but is sub arctic, so within the region nominated. Capuchin monkey and Jaguar are central or South American and the Jaguar, whether it exists in NA or not, is iconically South American. The Cassowary is Australasian, the dhole is mostly SEA and the fox is 100% African. Anyway, I’m not saying it’s what I think Frontier will do, I’m saying it’s what I would lije

It's tiring to see again people claiming a moose, a wolverine or a beaver would be completely fine and would make all the sense to be included in a NA pack. But if these animals are suggested in a Europe pack the lack of endemism argument is brought up again.

Which is why I have previously suggested a boreal pack including those species.

But even if Frontier really cared for endemism, which it doesn't, there would still be plenty of European animals to choose from, some of which have been named here.

See above re. The difference between what I’d like and what I think Frontier will do.

I reckon a Europe animal pack could be too much but a 4+1 pack with Iberian lynx, Alpine ibex, Red deer, European badger and Fire Salamander would still sell pretty well.

That would be an ok pack… not great but,.. sure I’d buy it.

 

[NL_Mutso]

I reckon a Europe animal pack could be too much but a 4+1 pack with Iberian lynx, Alpine ibex, Red deer, European badger and Fire Salamander would still sell pretty well.

Personally i like 4+1+pieces because I really like to see building pieces (we had several architecture threads with suggestions).
Your diverse picks would be great choice for a 4+1 pack.

 

[Aramar]

I want to clarify my personal opinion regarding the discussion about the label "Europe" or "Eurasian".

When I say I prefer a Europe pack instead of a Eurasian pack, I mean that I want a pack with at least 4 animals found in Europe, regardless of if they are also found in America or Asia. So for example if we get Eurasian lynx, red deer, Alpine ibex and Eurasian beaver, I'm fine with the pack whether it's called Europe or Eurasia pack. However, if it is a Eurasia pack which includes animals only found in the Asia part (for example the Amur leopard or przewalski's horse) and only 2 animals which are found in the Europe part, then I don't like the idea of having a combined pack.

If it is a Eurasian animal pack 7+1 which has at least 4 animals found in the Europe part, then I wouldn't mind if the pack includes one or two animals only found in the Asia part. In that case, the exhibit should be also found in Europe because we don't have any.

 

[ElectricMonk]

I want to clarify my personal opinion regarding the discussion about the label "Europe" or "Eurasian".

When I say I prefer a Europe pack instead of a Eurasian pack, I mean that I want a pack with at least 4 animals found in Europe, regardless of if they are also found in America or Asia. So for example if we get Eurasian lynx, red deer, Alpine ibex and Eurasian beaver, I'm fine with the pack whether it's called Europe or Eurasia pack. However, if it is a Eurasia pack which includes animals only found in the Asia part (for example the Amur leopard or przewalski's horse) and only 2 animals which are found in the Europe part, then I don't like the idea of having a combined pack.

If it is a Eurasian animal pack 7+1 which has at least 4 animals found in the Europe part, then I wouldn't mind if the pack includes one or two animals only found in the Asia part. In that case, the exhibit should be also found in Europe because we don't have any.

Such a pack is precisely what I am advocating.

 

[random goat]

Dall sheep is weird but is sub arctic, so within the region nominated. Capuchin monkey and Jaguar are central or South American and the Jaguar, whether it exists in NA or not, is iconically South American. The Cassowary is Australasian, the dhole is mostly SEA and the fox is 100% African. Anyway, I’m not saying it’s what I think Frontier will do, I’m saying it’s what I would lije

And mostly the same could be said for some of the European species that you wouldn't like because they're not endemic.
Eurasian lynx, red fox, wild boar, moose, red deer, roe deer, fallow deer, wisent, Eurasian otter, European badger, European pine marten, Eurasian beaver, etc. all of them (except maybe the wild boar) are mostly European, iconically European or whatever you want to label these animals with. Then we also have a bunch of endemic ones ofc including the Iberian lynx, various caprids, marmots, etc.

Btw, fennec fox is not 100% African.

Which is why I have previously suggested a boreal pack including those species.

I don't dislike the idea of a big boreal pack, and the comment about some NA animals wasn't specifically directed at you. But then again, I think 7 habitat animals for NA+Europe(Eurasia) would not be enough.

Edit: I agree with @Aramar and @ElectricMonk last stances.

 

[Antonin]

Sorry, but what's about the "Rainforest Pack" leak ? Has this been debunked ?

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

What was the "leak", if i might ask?

 

[FoxyDee]

There were some strings in the code indicating a rainforest scenery, but it was later debunked because those files were there since South America pack.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Eurasian lynx, red fox, wild boar, moose, red deer, roe deer, fallow deer, wisent, Eurasian otter, European badger, European pine marten, Eurasian beaver, etc. all of them (except maybe the wild boar) are mostly European, iconically European or whatever you want to label these animals with.

I genuinely don’t see most of these as iconically European and many are not mostly European.

Then we also have a bunch of endemic ones ofc including the Iberian lynx, various caprids, marmots, etc.

True. You can make a pack, but is it a really great pack?.. I would say not, but that’s just my opinion. Yours may well differ, which is fine.

Btw, fennec fox is not 100% African.

I rounded up from 99.99%

I don't dislike the idea of a big boreal pack, and the comment about some NA animals wasn't specifically directed at you. But then again, I think 7 habitat animals for NA+Europe(Eurasia) would not be enough

Neither do I but more species would come in later packs too (e.g. Iberian lynx is perfect for a threatened species pack.)

 

[NL_Mutso]

Fair enough. That’s your opinion, mine is that an Oceania pack with any 8 of the followingwould be a better pack.

Tasmanian devil
Bennett’s wallaby
Southern hairy nosed wombat
Emu
North Island. Brown kiwi
Eastern grey Kangaroo
Tree kangaroo (any)
Echidna (any)
Platypus
Yellow-footed rock wallaby
quoll (either)

Imo that would be very mediocre DLC. Maybe an Asia-Pacific pack would make it more engaging.

But back on-topic, curious to see what a next DLC will bring 7+1 or a 4+1. (or other mixes)
I know a lot of people like the mix: 7+1 -> 4+1+building -> 7+1 etc. etc.
But the 4+1 has to have good picks, like the African pack has.
While I like the building pieces in the Africa pack, i would've guessed that would be an animal pack back in March/April.

 

[Aramar]

I genuinely don’t see most of these as iconically European and many are not mostly European.

Sorry, I have to disagree this time. These animals that @random goat has listed (plus bears and wolves) are the iconic European animals that me, as a European, have studied at school, have seen in every documentary about local fauna and have even seen sometines on roadtrips accross Europe.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Imo that would be very mediocre DLC. Maybe an Asia-Pacific pack would make it more engaging.

As I say, that’s totally fair, if it’s you opinion express it!

 

[ElectricMonk]

Sorry, I have to disagree this time. These animals that @random goat has listed (plus bears and wolves) are the iconic European animals that me, as a European, have studied at school, have seen in every documentary about local fauna and have even seen sometines on roadtrips accross Europe.

Ok, but that’s not really what iconically European means (in my opinion). When I, as a non-European think of a moose (for instance) it conjures images of Canada, not Europe. Similarly, the Salt Water Croc, thanks to Steve Erwin, would by most people, be seen as iconically Australian, even if it’s found throughout SE Asia.

 

[NL_Mutso]

When I, as a non-European think of a moose (for instance) it conjures images of Canada, not Europe. Similarly, the Salt Water Croc, thanks to Steve Erwin, would by most people, be seen as iconically Australian, even if it’s found throughout SE Asia

Fair point. We had several users on this forum from SA commenting their continent isn't just one big rainforest.

Same goes with the Dingo. At first surprised people were upset about this choice. For a (non-Australian) a dingo is very iconic to Australia, so no big surprise they picked it over other species. And while you see capybaras in a lot of zoos, if you ask someone who isn't a "zoo-fanatic" about the iconic species from South America, I think you get more votes for Llama then Capybara.

 

[Bearcat9948]

Fair point. We had several users on this forum from SA commenting their continent isn't just one big rainforest.

Same goes with the Dingo. At first surprised people were upset about this choice. For a (non-Australian) a dingo is very iconic to Australia, so no big surprise they picked it over other species. And while you see capybaras in a lot of zoos, if you ask someone who isn't a "zoo-fanatic" about the iconic species from South America, I think you get more votes for Llama then Capybara.

Ehh, I'm not sure.

The first one is probably more debatable. I know that as an animal enthusiast, I would always think of a devil being a better choice, but I do recognize that it's possible more people would say a dingo is iconic, I just really don't know.

The llama though, I highly doubt more people would've picked. Capybaras are ridiculously popular online, they have there own cult following basically. And that's by what I would consider to be general public people, not just animal lovers.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Fair point. We had several users on this forum from SA commenting their continent isn't just one big rainforest.

And they made a good point too!

Same goes with the Dingo. At first surprised people were upset about this choice. For a (non-Australian) a dingo is very iconic to Australia, so no big surprise they picked it over other species. And while you see capybaras in a lot of zoos, if you ask someone who isn't a "zoo-fanatic" about the iconic species from South America, I think you get more votes for Llama then Capybara.

I was one of those who was disappointed by the dingo. Just to be clear, though, it wasn’t because it’s not iconic (it clearly is) it’s just that, for the continent with the most unique biota It was just about the least unique animal that could have been chosen. I think that diversity is also a good reason to have a preference for certain animals.

 

[iloveyourzoos]

I'm still holding out hope that Frontier's original plan was for three years of support, with 4 dlc each year, for a total of 12. (The wikipedia page for Planet Coaster lists 12 major packs/updates, so it doesn't seem completely unreasonable that they might have had a similar plan for PZ -- despite being very different games). I'm hoping they continue with that 12-pack plan, even if covid pushed the dates back a bit.

I'm not expecting anything, but at the moment, my hope is for:

1. Arctic Pack
2. South American Pack
3. Australian Pack
4. Aquatic Pack
5. South East Asia Pack
6. African Pack
7. North American Pack
8. Aviaries Pack
9. European Pack
10. Nocturnal Pack
11. Tropics Pack
12. Endangered Species Pack (or Fan Favorite Pack).

Each of these last three packs is broad enough, and non-repetitive enough, to keep my hopes up for many animals that we haven't seen yet. Similar to how Planet Coaster threw in more coasters as it approached the end.

The Nocturnal Pack could introduce new lighting elements for the builders, and has long been my internal justification for why I think they have chosen to hold back some popular animals like the leopard, capybara, tasmanian devil. platypus, porcupine, armadillo, ocelot, red fox, raccoon, coyote, cougar, additional hyenas, etc.

The tropics pack is in some ways a companion to the arctic pack. And since the "tropics" includes deserts, islands, jungles, and rainforests, it's a broad enough category that they can throw in a wide range of animals. (I'm assuming the European and North American packs will give us many temperate animals, although there are obviously other biomes there too).

I go back and forth about whether I'd prefer Endangered Species or Fan Favorite for the final one. Mostly depending on which animals I'd like to see that haven't been accounted for yet, and who I trust to choose more of them on any given day -- the devs or the unruly crowd!

Needless to say, I'd love it if the game went on even longer than that! If they decided to go for five years instead, I think they could easily go over every continent again, plus several areas like East Asia, Madagascar, Oceania, etc that haven't really been covered, and dedicated packs for biomes (desert, tropical, temperate, mountains, etc.). I'd also love to see petting zoo and exhibit animal packs, as well as aquariums and marine animals too. But I've limited myself to these 12 for fun prediction purposes.