Privateer’s Alliance Charity Event Targeted for Griefing

[ph1Lt0r]

Charity event occurs, UA bombing happens, publicity increased.

Mmmmh

you have a misconception of our charity event. It's not a one time thing. PA is using the month of February to stream elite and raise money for the American Heart Association, British Heart Foundation, and European Heart Network. I literally just explained in the post above yours that this charity run does not need our stations to carry on.

 

[GunnerBill]

you have a misconception of our charity event. It's not a one time thing. PA is using the month of February to stream elite and raise money for the American Heart Association, British Heart Foundation, and European Heart Network. I literally just explained in the post above yours that this charity run does not need our stations to carry on.

None the less, Charity event occurs, UA bombing happens, publicity increased. Yes or no?

Merely an observation.

Edit - It's not a criticism.

 

[ph1Lt0r]

None the less, Charity event occurs, UA bombing happens, publicity increased. Yes or no?

Merely an observation.

Edit - It's not a criticism.

My mistake sir I understand much better now, I apologize!

 

[RJMcReady]

Appreciate the assist there, Damon8r!

So yeah... some of the responses in here I've seen are disturbing... The commander who is going to be doing this has every right to, charity work or not. Our charity also doesn't hinge on our stations working. I do appreciate the support, I really do, but respect for play style trumps in my book. Privateer's Alliance mantra is 'Play your own way, but play together'. So while we do thank you for the respect for the event and the offers for help, we also would appreciate it if labels and for the insane calls for use of law enforcement for something as trivial as an action in a video game be dropped.

I've had convos with the person who is doing the bombing. He has an agenda, he has purpose, but most important, he's not a bad person despite what he might do in a video game. We respect that, even though it's targeted at us as a group. Stuff happens, we'll fight back, life moves on. I was hoping that this would turn into discussion more about the charity and heart health, but it's the forums, so... yeah.

https://www.privateersalliance.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/PA_on_heart_black_outline.png

Here's to keeping your hearts healthy. Don't fight on the forums, it raises blood pressure, it makes life way more difficult than it needs to be. And for gods sake, just enjoy the game, the good and the bad.

Also, the steps we have taken to fight back:
1. We've got bank accounts (spare ED accounts that have T9's or cutters) filled with MAs, last count was at 3000+
2. We have an RSS feed to watch for our station shutdowns
3. We talked with the person behind it. Offered no ill will for the event, and are going to use this to further our cause, show how well Privateer's Alliance works together and why our charities are worthy of support

well done will make a donation.

this is how the game should be approached in my very humble opinion.

folk really really need to seperate ingame/real life.

 

[JessicaSonnet]

PA Good luck with your charity event! I really hope you hit your target and please KNOW should you need support there are plenty in the community that will help.

 

[AutoMechanical]

It seems that the words "greif", "griefer", and "griefing" meaning changes each day here. At first I thought it was just used when someone destroyed another person's ship without there personal approval. Now however it looks to be used whenever another player or group of players perform in game actions that the poster doesn't agree with, or when said actions impact them negatively.

It's very nice that you are doing an charity event, and it's cool that you have chosen to stream Elite for said event, but you need to understand that this in no way should make you any different to other players or exempt from select in game mechanics. This sounds like a perfect opportunity to ask the community for assistance which would allow you to inform more players of the charity of your choosing.

 

[ph1Lt0r]

It seems that the words "greif", "griefer", and "griefing" meaning changes each day here. At first I thought it was just used when someone destroyed another person's ship without there personal approval. Now however it looks to be used whenever another player or group of players perform in game actions that the poster doesn't agree with, or when said actions impact them negatively.

It's very nice that you are doing an charity event, and it's cool that you have chosen to stream Elite for said event, but you need to understand that this in no way should make you any different to other players or exempt from select in game mechanics. This sounds like a perfect opportunity to ask the community for assistance which would allow you to inform more players of the charity of your choosing.

Please go read our official response... PA never complained, at all, nor ever will for in game mechanics.

So yeah... some of the responses in here I've seen are disturbing... The commander who is going to be doing this has every right to, charity work or not. Our charity also doesn't hinge on our stations working. I do appreciate the support, I really do, but respect for play style trumps in my book. Privateer's Alliance mantra is 'Play your own way, but play together'. So while we do thank you for the respect for the event and the offers for help, we also would appreciate it if labels and for the insane calls for use of law enforcement for something as trivial as an action in a video game be dropped.

I've had convos with the person who is doing the bombing. He has an agenda, he has purpose, but most important, he's not a bad person despite what he might do in a video game. We respect that, even though it's targeted at us as a group. Stuff happens, we'll fight back, life moves on. I was hoping that this would turn into discussion more about the charity and heart health, but it's the forums, so... yeah.

https://www.privateersalliance.com/w...ck_outline.png

Here's to keeping your hearts healthy. Don't fight on the forums, it raises blood pressure, it makes life way more difficult than it needs to be. And for gods sake, just enjoy the game, the good and the bad.

Also, the steps we have taken to fight back:
1. We've got bank accounts (spare ED accounts that have T9's or cutters) filled with MAs, last count was at 3000+
2. We have an RSS feed to watch for our station shutdowns
3. We talked with the person behind it. Offered no ill will for the event, and are going to use this to further our cause, show how well Privateer's Alliance works together and why our charities are worthy of support

or read our official response, here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...bing-and-a-Chat-with-the-Lord-Commander-of-PA

 

[AutoMechanical]

I was replying more to the OP and the very sensationalist title. Good to see this isn't like the last event.

 

[Valorin]

Trying to disrupt a charity event in any way, ingame or out of the game, is just antisocial. There is really no justification, and it's also not in any way important if it's technically breaking the game rules or not. It's also not important if the disruption made more people aware of the event in the end. It's the intention behind such a thing that is important to me.

Apart from being pathetic and antisocial, it's just disgusting.

 

[Manticore]

WORD

Trying to disrupt a charity event in any way, ingame or out of the game, is just antisocial. There is really no justification, and it's also not in any way important if it's technically breaking the game rules or not. It's also not important if the disruption made more people aware of the event in the end. It's the intention behind such a thing that is important to me.

Apart from being pathetic and antisocial, it's just disgusting.

WORD

REP+

 

[ph1Lt0r]

Trying to disrupt a charity event in any way, ingame or out of the game, is just antisocial. There is really no justification, and it's also not in any way important if it's technically breaking the game rules or not. It's also not important if the disruption made more people aware of the event in the end. It's the intention behind such a thing that is important to me.

Apart from being pathetic and antisocial, it's just disgusting.

Sure, that's all fine and well. However all this negativity just takes away from the positive, and that's the problem with the forums and community lately. We laser focus on the negative. I think, as one of the persons co-chairing this charity is that we have already stated that it's not a disruption, and wish people would focus on the positive being performed instead of the negative. I'm not going to condemn or praise or defend the person doing it, but it's a non-issue in this case.

 

[Vasious]

UA bombing is an intended mechanic. It's had a few balance passes. Just appeal to people to help bring meta alloys.

Do we know if one can Pre-load a station with Meta Alloys to "immunize" it against UA bombing?

 

[Valorin]

Sure, that's all fine and well. However all this negativity just takes away from the positive, and that's the problem with the forums and community lately. We laser focus on the negative. I think, as one of the persons co-chairing this charity is that we have already stated that it's not a disruption, and wish people would focus on the positive being performed instead of the negative. I'm not going to condemn or praise or defend the person doing it, but it's a non-issue in this case.

I kinda responded to the topic of the post which was about the bombing.

The fact that there are charity events like the Enigma Exploration among others is something that makes Elite and its community so awesome. There are thousands of players coming together in multiplayer games, but most of these massive communities don't really have any impact on real life (in a benevolent way that is). Elite's community is the only one I know of so far, where this is different, and that's a great achievement itself.

 

[MottiKhan]

Do we know if one can Pre-load a station with Meta Alloys to "immunize" it against UA bombing?

I'm not sure if it works proactively. Excess MAs after a station is affected by UAs offers resistance to further attacks and can be used before the station suffers malfunctions.

We've generally held off on delivering MAs until there was some affect or new MA demand.

 

[Enderby]

A charity event is cool and all but if you are doing it within an online game then be totally prepared for the fact that it may not proceed quite how you envisaged.

You wanna avoid griefers? Try a sponsored jog instead maybe. Hell, even then you might get tripped up though.

Maybe it's a poor choice of arena for a charity event.

Be more impressive to see someone do something they don't do a lot (like play ED). Still, nice charitable thought. Just misjudged.

Next.

 

[Chaparral]

PG - specifically for the Charity.

 

[Enderby]

PG - specifically for the Charity.

Good point, well made.

 

[ph1Lt0r]

A charity event is cool and all but if you are doing it within an online game then be totally prepared for the fact that it may not proceed quite how you envisaged.

You wanna avoid griefers? Try a sponsored jog instead maybe. Hell, even then you might get tripped up though.

Maybe it's a poor choice of arena for a charity event.

Be more impressive to see someone do something they don't do a lot (like play ED). Still, nice charitable thought. Just misjudged.

Next.

Please read the official PA response, the group who is running this. We are not complaining, the community is. We don't care if this happens, we have fun with it. Please don't put words in our mouths.

 

[damon8r351]

A charity event is cool and all but if you are doing it within an online game then be totally prepared for the fact that it may not proceed quite how you envisaged.

You wanna avoid griefers? Try a sponsored jog instead maybe. Hell, even then you might get tripped up though.

Maybe it's a poor choice of arena for a charity event.

Be more impressive to see someone do something they don't do a lot (like play ED). Still, nice charitable thought. Just misjudged.

Next.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/407472-Privateer-s-Alliance-Charity-Event-UA-Bombing-and-a-Chat-with-the-Lord-Commander-of-PA

 

[Cosmos]

The Privateers Alliance is hosting a charity event for heart health, raising funds for heart related charities in the US, UK, and Europe. You can read more about this event at their website.

Unfortunately, the event is being targeted by griefers for UA bombing.

We recently had a similar effort to grief the Enigma Expedition for Dove Enigma. You may recall that Dove is a cancer patient, friends organized an expedition to Colonia with him, and Frontier kindly supplied a mega-ship for the purpose. On its way to Colonia, the ship was intentionally UA bombed to disrupt the expedition for the laughs and community outrage. Dove was not a happy camper, a broad swath of the community was incensed, and many pilots responded by taking meta-alloys to the stricken mega-ship to help repair and restore its mission.

Leaders amongst these griefers claim this is “emergent game play” that creates fun for others as well as protests Frontier’s failure to develop the BGS. These are transparent rationalizations. If pilots shared a good experience in rescuing the Enigma Expedition and working to help Dove, that is not because of griefing. It is because they chose to do the right thing. This in no way excuses the malicious actions of the UA bombers. Nor does it excuse the malicious motives behind targeting the Privateers Alliance charity event.

UA bombing has become one of the safe spaces for griefers in Elite. I don’t believe this was Frontier’s intent, and it was certainly not their intent to see good-faith charity events disrupted in this manner.

In the forthcoming crime and punishment mechanic, Frontier has started to close the noose around griefers using notoriety, hot modules and ships, changed bounty and rebuy calculations, etc. We can hope that these will help prevent seal-clubbing. If not, the community will surely demand changes.

Unfortunately, UA bombing is not addressed by C&P and there is no defense against it. One can only respond after the fact and at a substantial investment of time and credits. Griefers like those who targeted Dove Enigma and now the Privateer’s are therefore free to disrupt -- without consequence — honorific, memorial, and charity events like the Enigma Expedition and now Privateer’s Alliance.

So what ought to be done? Three ideas come to my mind.

One solution is to close down this mechanic altogether by stopping the sale of meta-alloys in black-markets.

Another is to create in-game technology transfers that easily and permanently reverse and protect against UA bombing. Something like an Aegis community event to create the technology, which will then go on sale at specific stations for distribution to whatever stations are in need. One ton of the tech being all that is necessary, excess deliveries to a station become available on the market for delivery elsewhere. Delivering a Cutter full of this tech would be a pro-social mechanic many could get behind.

Still another is to begin fleshing out the Karma mechanic for serial griefers, and include UA bombing in the metrics. If that is possible, it a longer term goal.

What solutions around this issue come to your minds?

Stop using the game as charity and 'good causes' platform. We are here to play the game and have fun and not endure a never ending set of charity events or memorial services.

Frankly its become obvious this sort of thing is little more than virtue signalling and I find that somewhat insidious.

At the very least if people are doing these charity things then it shouldn't be imposed on others.