Proven cheaters still in open.

[Helios]

Many wont like my solution... 3 Strikes and your out.. Meaning If you are found cheating (by the devs) 3 times, then you are banned for life. No refund, no nothing. Your account is closed. Your IP recorded and blocked.

I came across a cheater the other day. hull went down to 3% and just sat there... But I did manage to disable their Powerplant then engines, until he logged off..

I totally agree with you except for the IP thing, which seemingly might make sense when you live in a country where static IPs are normal, but it actually is outright stupid when looking at places like Germany, where, if only 300 days per year, you will have 300 different IPs, of which all have been used by others before.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Don't you ever get tired of mentioning things from the DDF that haven't materialized yet? Like, literally tired of bringing them up all the time, there are so many.

Not a dig at you as a person in the least, I tend to enjoy most of your posting, but more to the point that there are buttloads of things that haven't been/will never be done out of that thing. It's acronym really should be DOA. It seems like a waste of time and sanity to keep mentioning things from there that don't exist and probably won't.

Good job that I didn't mention the DDF, then, and merely relied on a kickstarter promise. I never mention stuff from the DDF as a broken promise, because the DDA were never promises: they were FDs intent at the time, but with caveats. Whilst it was (and is) reasonable to expect much of it, eventually, none of it was ever a promise, so no promises have been broken. I do mention the DDA, especially with respect to the exploration DDA, when I complain about the simplistic placeholder mechanics they implemented, and that those mechanics will probably prevent us from ever getting anything other than a very dumbed down simplistic set of mechanics.

Stuff in the kickstarter (especially stuff in something like and FAQ) WAS a promise, however.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

I'd say most cheaters cheat in solo, just making tons of money insta-killing NPCs or removing supercruise delays and so on. Nobody sees this, but it still affects everybody, e.g. when they participate in community goals or mess up the local markets.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I changed the post, however I will defend the words all the same.

Indeed:

Same old words from FD.

Some people want to watch the world burn - you know it, I know it, yet you do nothing about it.

I doubt that Frontier are doing "nothing". However they choose not to publicise their actions with respect to players who transgress.

It doesn't matter that they have not published any numbers, and for what it's worth I would argue that they shouldn't anyway, but reread the title of this thread - KNOWN exploiters are back in the game .. ergo - FD's words aren't worth a dime.

Judge people, not by what they say, but by what they do.

What type of behaviour should result in a ban from the game's multi-player modes rather than a suspension? As Frontier's actions in this regard are not published there is no way to know (other than those affected divulging their punishment) what has been done, how many times and for how long.

 

[Oogie Boogie]

Everybody who is not cheating (>99%) are wishing and expecting a "zero tolerance policy" from Frontier.

 

[Antoniius]

Many wont like my solution... 3 Strikes and your out.. Meaning If you are found cheating (by the devs) 3 times, then you are banned for life. No refund, no nothing. Your account is closed. Your IP recorded and blocked.

I agree, but blocking the IP is not possible if you have a not-fixed one.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

What type of behaviour should result in a ban from the game's multi-player modes rather than a suspension? As Frontier's actions in this regard are not published there is no way to know (other than those affected divulging their punishment) what has been done, how many times and for how long.

The actual fine line that you need to cross in order to be banned is down to FD to define, publicly, so that people understand what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. However, in this example, we are talking about 2 commanders who are on the extreme end of the scale - they have been abusing the [insert word here] out of ED / players for months and presumably after a suspension they are back - guess what doing ?! That's right - abusing the [insert word here] out of ED / players.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

I agree, but blocking the IP is not possible if you have a not-fixed one.

Closing account is enough. Because only way of getting new one is buying the game again.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

I don't really see how that would help them gain confidence. All I see is a no win scenario.

1. Publishes numbers showing lots of people getting banned. "Hey look how much cheating is happening in the game!!!"

2. Publishes numbers showing a small number of bans. "This can't be right! This obviously means lots of cheaters are getting away with it!!!"



Personally I have never come across an obvious cheat used by another player in-game. Doesn't mean it isn't happening of course, but considering that I've been playing since Alpha 1 I should have seen it at least once if it was a common occurrence.

Common sense, as ever. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. But they do appear to lean far too far towards the miscreants. When we see reports of the same people doing the same thing again and again and nothing happens, you can understand people questioning whether FD are doing what they say they are doing. When you see those miscreants boasting on reddit about just getting a 1 day 'naughty step' ban, it is hard not to conclude that FD are too lenient. I don't see that publishing details as a regular thing will help for the reasons you state. Now and then it makes sense: we had an incident several months ago with what seems to have been some sort of DoS attack. FD quietly mentioned that the perpetrator had been permanently banned. I think that is a sensible level: only tell us when it needs to be told.

 

[Robert Maynard]

The actual fine line that you need to cross in order to be banned is down to FD to define, publicly, so that people understand what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. However, in this example, we are talking about 2 commanders who are on the extreme end of the scale - they have been abusing the [insert word here] out of ED / players for months and presumably after a suspension they are back - guess what doing ?! That's right - abusing the [insert word here] out of ED / players.

Indeed. The two who have been linked with anti-social behaviour would seem to me to be demonstrating that the fix put in place in an attempt to curtail their previous shenanigans is not quite as effective as hoped. Players typically exceed the speed limit in the controlled zone and these players exploit that.

 

[lonewarrior]

Kaushpoos CG. Imagine my surprise when I saw a proven, reported multiple times and bragging on TS cheater in open.
He was supposed not to be there. Many commanders tried to get him banned for his deeds and guess what. HE IS STILL THERE.

This is very dissapointing.

Yep, I now know of a total of 3 cheaters (2 of which admitted to it publicly) I've faced in game that many others have told me about and I've seen video proof of, FD just kept giving me the same answers "we are investigating"

Saw a cheater a few days ago bragging in local chat, I saw him the first time a couple months ago, still cheating and still laughing at our expense,

But don't worry, FD will give him a one week ban soon

 

[Antoniius]

i am for a zero tolerance: if you got cheating, remove the account. No toher possibilities, yu just need to rebuy the game and restart from zero (that, for an exploiter, is pretty easy )

 

[Nutter]

Cheating has been around for eons, there are only two reasons why it is still so prolific.

1. Cheaters have bottomless pockets to keep re-buying the game, which is a win for the company that owns the game.
2. No game provider is willing to take swift and strong action to remove them from the affected game.

IMHO

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Indeed. The two who have been linked with anti-social behaviour would seem to me to be demonstrating that the fix put in place in an attempt to curtail their previous shenanigans is not quite as effective as hoped. Players typically exceed the speed limit in the controlled zone and these players exploit that.

But we knew the fix was a farce before it was put in. That was clear from the beta.

And you are talking about them as if those previous shenanigans were their only previous form. These were the same guys who were camping inside a spaceport shooting everything and using chaff to stop themselves from being killed. And before that, they were ... You get the message.

 

[Robert Maynard]

But we knew the fix was a farce before it was put in. That was clear from the beta.

And you are talking about them as if those previous shenanigans were their only previous form. These were the same guys who were camping inside a spaceport shooting everything and using chaff to stop themselves from being killed. And before that, they were ... You get the message.

They do seem to have a penchant for identifying abuses of game mechanics and then exploiting them to the hilt.

 

[Dakron Nova]

Same old words from FD.

Some people want to watch the world burn - you know it, I know it, yet you do nothing about it.

Thats harsh in my opinion. No doubt FD are doing something, and will do more. But you cant always advertise what you are doing for obvious reasons.

 

[NeilF]

Your IP recorded and blocked.

FYI - IP blocking doesn't work. It isn't a good approach.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

whilst certainly not proof enough as to be legal, imo we can have a fair idea of how FD treat cheaters by how many complaints on the forum we see along the lines of "I have been banned from open and I did not do anything wrong" messages.

Lets be honest, we KNOW there are SOME cheaters..... every PC game has them, I cant remember the last game of BF4 i had without seeing at least 1, usually more kicked for using aim bots etc.

Even on console, I remember seeing all sorts of complaints on the gears of war and halo reach forums with players moaning of an unjust ban, and invariably staff would post back saying, actually, time stamp day/month/time you were caught doing XYZ and we have the proof.

after the yearly xbox live ban waves the screams were even louder.

In ALL my time here (and as most will know I am here a lot ) I have seen ONE post of someone moaning they could not get online in open, and after, I think it was 1 week FD lifted their ban from the sin bin and let them back in.

I did a very simple google and the top hit takes you to a wiki about how to cheat, hell they even have a facebook page for goodness sake.

For what ever reason FD are soft on cheaters and exploiters. imo it is just how it is and I do not see that changing any time soon. for the most part I have just learned to live with it.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

During the Metal CG, luckily the only cheater I encountered was using an Insta-FSD fail exploit on interdicted Targets.

Didn't report him because
a) I know nothing has ever been done against Cheaters, hence reporting them is pointless
b) they were just 2 Python Pirates "tweaking" things s bit looking for loot from otherwise non-masslocked targets (and they asked nicely )

IMHO the biggest mistake was to openly let cheaters know their actions will have no consequences.
The 2nd biggest mistake was to not have any potent cheat protection in place for a full year now - on a P2P MultiPlayer Client (!)
Manual Reporting and Shadowban etc. doesn't cut it by a lightyear, that just gives those guys a warm fuzzy feeling to carry on. FDev is literally holding their hand instead of slapping them good & hard.

Weird, just weird.

1st detected cheating : fine, give them an EMail and a Warning; any assets/Credits gained by the cheats removed
2nd detected cheating : say hello to 1000Cr and a Sidewinder
3rd detected cheating : say hello to 0 Cr, a Sidewinder and being FSD Permit-Locked to inside a remote Prison Colony for 1 month
4th detected cheating : License revoked, end of story

Above would suit FDev's "soft" approach to things, otherwise step #2 and #4 should be sufficient.

 

[Dakron Nova]

Indeed. The two who have been linked with anti-social behaviour would seem to me to be demonstrating that the fix put in place in an attempt to curtail their previous shenanigans is not quite as effective as hoped. Players typically exceed the speed limit in the controlled zone and these players exploit that.

Whaaaaat please don't tell me I'm the only one who doesnt speed!