PSA: Jaques Station Mining Services Are Now Open!
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I have an AspX with a loaded jump range of 23.7 Ly and it took me ~1000 jumps.
I think it's funny that the op mentions that they dont sell fuel scoops. Like anyone there would not already have one.
I thought that was strange too, but then I read his other posting about that and that warning really makes a lot of sense. Don't sell the fuel scoop to get more space for cargo or limpet controllers.
Would be really bad to be at Jaques and not having a fuel scoop, because you sold it.
Thinking of it, it would be an epic endeavor for the Fuel Rats to guid that poor CMDR back to the bubble (yes I think that they are that crazy to do something like that).
While I am not pitching in on this particular CG, I'd like to offer an opinion, FWIW.
Playing E: D is a bit like participating in a Sci-Fi adventure. And just because the plot has taken a twist or the protagonist followed a tortuous dead-end lead does not mean the story is boring. Its just a plot twist - enjoy the ride!
Playing E: D is a bit like participating in a Sci-Fi adventure. And just because the plot has taken a twist or the protagonist followed a tortuous dead-end lead does not mean the story is boring. Its just a plot twist - enjoy the ride!
It's sad but there's already been CMDRs who showed up and sold their advanced discovery scanners to make cargo room without checking first....
If FD really felt the need to activate something I would've preferred it to be the cartography first and leave the restocking for a bit, that gives some reward to the travelling masses without 'breaking' the timeline flow as such.
Or if more was needed then maybe the repair as well ... moot point now though I suppose!
Or if more was needed then maybe the repair as well ... moot point now though I suppose!
This is just another reason why I avoided these CG's. Too much of a time investment, and you really didn't know entirely what you were getting into.
I can see why people like Long Star are angry. Putting in a bunch of effort to RP and get the community together, and then FD moves the goal-posts yet again.
I can see why people like Long Star are angry. Putting in a bunch of effort to RP and get the community together, and then FD moves the goal-posts yet again.
That's a lovely strawman you've built yourself there, but being happy with the turn of events isn't equivocal to hating obstacles or enjoying a challenge - it's unfortunate that some folk had their plans ruined, but as someone who has been puttering around the nebula for a few days watching a (really impressive) flow of resources and MAs flow in, the fact that the station has come partially online flows really nicely.
I figured that was to allow those who explored the nebula and were on their way back to 'claim' discovery of the systems and avoid newcomers scanning a few planets and then cashing it in right away at the station.
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Well, I hope that they will open stellar cartography as soon as the CG will be finished. Those first explorers had plenty of time to return to bubble and claim their explorations before the repairing CG started.
I really want to unload my lot of explorations pages here, before I will start my travel back to the bubble.
Some tips I'll share with everyone about the rings in Jaque's system (and I'll add the info to the OP too):
- All resource reserves in the system are "pristine"
- The inner ring of the gas giant Jaques is orbiting is metallic, good if you're just after osmium (bear in mind the buy prices for painite and stuff is merely 'average' unless Jaques somehow goes into a 'boom' state)
- The Class III gas giant (closest to the star) has a metal rich inner ring, good if you want to hunt both osmium and coltan to refine into tantalum, so you can hit both CGs at once
- The Class IV gas giant's rings are both metal rich, as well, just bear in mind it's further out so the rings will be darker
Nevermind, I was SO wrong, apparently you cannot refine tantalum yourself after all....
- All resource reserves in the system are "pristine"
- The inner ring of the gas giant Jaques is orbiting is metallic, good if you're just after osmium (bear in mind the buy prices for painite and stuff is merely 'average' unless Jaques somehow goes into a 'boom' state)
- The Class IV gas giant's rings are both metal rich, as well, just bear in mind it's further out so the rings will be darker
Nevermind, I was SO wrong, apparently you cannot refine tantalum yourself after all....
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I think if you guys organize an effort to complain strongly enough certain elements of Frontier can be bent to change anything in the game to react to that. What Frontier is not, Good at Communication, Consistent or Proactive. This latest example at Jaques Station is just another in a long line of CG's where "Hand of GOD" or "GOD MODE INTERVENTION" really damages the quality of the CGs. Everybody knows when the GOLD RUN GC was on a few months ago that it was going to be solidly won by the largest group. There isn't much reason to think that you will have a chance of victory the way competitive CG's are constructed if you aren't the largest because they don't scale to organization but to number. An example of the lack of consistency was the RARES CG. At first it was 16 units per 10 min, and then 72 when the system apparently went into boom and then it crashed and there were only 9 units pickable per 10 minutes. Hardly consistent or competitive again for smaller more organized groups.
This Jaques mining CG had the potential for not the largest group but the best organized to strongly compete or even beat a larger group though superior organization. That was our aim and our effort at Teamsters Logistics Corporation. Upon arriving at Jaques station and confirming there was no restock we'd formed a plan to begin mining back in the bubble to support a drive to contract out limpet delivery services, i.e. the bulletin http://imgur.com/a/QhKjJ I crafted to explain what we wanted pilots to do, and what we were prepared to reward them for to do it. It seemed that since the CG had already begun tracking deliveries, that the conditions of the CG were set.
Our plan was to shift our mining operation out to the station as we got limpets delivered and to handle the logistics of such an event. We were also going to share our limpets along with partner miners who would come and hammer rocks with us taking a cut of the ore but ensuring they would have limpets and not need to fly back 22kly and then back again 22kly for another haul with limpets. We thought in analyzing the conditions of this CG finally Frontier had decided to create a truly cerebral CG which would require multiple groups to work together and pilots within and outside those groups to also work together to get the job done. The CG was to last the whole month of August anyway.
However this was not to be so. As you can see before GOD MODE switch was flipped, TEAMSTERS a relatively small group, was delivering 1 out of every 6 tons of Osmium to the effort and leading the way.
You can also see that as soon as Limpets were made available on site, well all of the challenge essentially melted away from the CG. No longer were pilots needed to haul in limpets, No longer were pilots needed to mine materials where limpets were freely available to compensate those haulers on their delivery of limpets. No longer was this CG to be any different than all of the previous other CGs where the LARGEST GROUP = AUTOMATIC WIN.
So in closing. If you complain loud enough about the distance, Frontier will create a Wormhole from SOL directly out to Jaques station, and in fact the will randomly rain spawn in fragments right outside the station, so you don't even have to mine in the ring or belts. No scouting the local area needed, no logistical prep or challenge to overcome just the same exact mining experience as in the bubble, sans the AI interdictors and pirates looking for "TASTY CARGO", which isn't all bad am I right? Nor is it bad that Limpets are available, or Outfitting, or REPAIR, I mean now you can get a SPACE MARTINI, and instead of having to PP in the vacuum of space you can use one of those really deluxe toilette which have the butt warmer and you can hear the music playing while you do your business and ponder "Who does #2 work for?"
I have already made my peace with Frontier on this. My fellow pilots know that they simply cannot do any better than this. Frontier cannot be asked to challenge the community because they cannot be asked to challenge themselves. This is the pinnacle of the experience they can deliver.
While we also aimed to promote our wing. The reason for that I will briefly discuss. In March of 2016 we applied for entry into the BGS, and we waited April, May, June, were told end of month we were in, but we weren't in and of course those of you who know and we know you all do, it takes forever and Frontier simply accepts that and here again this is because my fellow pilots. This is the best they can do. They simply cannot do any better than they are, please don't ask, please don't cry, please don't try any harder than they have, as they have set the bar as high as they can. Having been told repeatedly we were going to be in and having been delayed for not days or weeks but months when we finally got in we had some serious wing building to do and so as promotion and recruiting director I figured this would be a great opportunity to share a vision with the community on this CG.
We tried to mobilize, and motivate, and craft engaging lore, and build a plan to make the CG competitive in order to see an outpost constructed. We know mining isn't all that popular because it is more complex than many other things in the game and there is plenty of mis-information online regarding it, there is also again insufficient communication from Frontier here on that but guys again lets remember, this is the best they can do. Teamsters Logistics Corporation is just that, a group of player who play daily and who have lore, who have hope of seeing better days, who are in the PMF BGS finally and who wanted to contribute in our own way to the community and so we did this. We saw an opportunity to really organize the community and reward those who would support us. We saw the opportunity to create a leaderboard, an idea proposed from one of our supporting groups, CMDR Leavism from Simbad, we saw the opportunity to utilize belt mining because the rocks in the belts do not change composition and therefore deliver more ore per limpet consumed than prospecting random rocks in the rings so, a technique we in detail learned from our partners in the Border Coalition, CMDR Jane Turner, CMDR Vivian Gemai, and others.
We saw an opportunity to call on ASP explorer pilots, Elite Traders, Elite Wings, Elite Mining for other competent pilots who might lend their skills if they had the supply of limpets or who might lend their skill in making long distance runs with limpets rather than Osmium in order to force multiply. CMDR Miko Stargazer was one of the first who said he'd run the "Tortuous" An old T9 all the way out from SOL to Jaques Station, He planned on leaving on the 4 and arriving on the 13th, another pilot, CMDR DeathAngel9987 wanted to give us huge support, running out 696 limpets and taxing our mining operation back home to the bring in order to support us and make a pretty penny himself. CMDR Kofeyh was willing to donate 100 limpets upon his arrival. Happened that he arrived the day after RESTOCK was fully switched on. CMDR Patrecleus another 100 limpets. CMDR 2301 delivered to us as well. We saw these plan, we had this vision and we wanted to share it with the community.
The Teamsters Logistics Corporation wants to thank those CMDRs who supported us and we want to thank The Border Coalition, Communism Interstellar, Kunn-Lai and the BSTARDSs of Beta-3 Tucani, and everybody who took an interest in this.
What is most disheartening to me is that two days prior to the first change I had a conversation with the Community Manager on Discord to resolve another community lore issue that had been censored, i.e. effectively stifled and it was reversed and this Community Manager indicated this was due to "lazy moderatorship" which be that the case perhaps that moderator ought be evaluated for replacement, more central to the point, in this conversation two days prior I showed the Community Manager an advance copy of the bulletin and explained what we were planning to do to support the COMMUNITY GOAL. He wasn't aware of any plans for them to switch on GOD MODE. The point here is that at Frontier it is acceptable for the Community Manager to have no prior knowledge of the details of the Active Community Goals or details of upcoming events. Had the CM been aware of Frontier's plans, and we made aware of this we would obviously not be thanking our community in this way or having to apologize to those on behalf of the developer for their lack of communication, consistency or proactive development.
We did our best and if there is was any failure here well I think we all know where ought some changes ought to be made out of respect for the community. Otherwise perhaps community goals should be renamed to Frontier Pastimes.
Respectfully,
CMDR Shlong Star
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Ehm, how you want to WIN a trading/mining CG of this kind ?
The CG is either fulfilled or not and rewards go to commanders, according the amount and final Tier. There is no group/guild win in those CGs.
Besides, during your carefull forward planning, you forgot one basic thing. All those CGs should be playable (and winable) regardless of mode. Especially, they should be playable/winable in Solo. And they actually are playable/winable in Solo, I was able to be in Top 10 Cmdrs several times during BH/trading CGs. So, it was a crystal clear, that the lack of mining supplies at Jaques at the beginning of the mining CG is a bug of some kind (probably CG started prematurely) and will be fixed really soon.
BTW, there was group/guild oriented CGs couple of weeks ago. But the Jaques CGs are not.
The CG is either fulfilled or not and rewards go to commanders, according the amount and final Tier. There is no group/guild win in those CGs.
Besides, during your carefull forward planning, you forgot one basic thing. All those CGs should be playable (and winable) regardless of mode. Especially, they should be playable/winable in Solo. And they actually are playable/winable in Solo, I was able to be in Top 10 Cmdrs several times during BH/trading CGs. So, it was a crystal clear, that the lack of mining supplies at Jaques at the beginning of the mining CG is a bug of some kind (probably CG started prematurely) and will be fixed really soon.
BTW, there was group/guild oriented CGs couple of weeks ago. But the Jaques CGs are not.
@long star... Good post and i respect your POV and what you are and were trying to achieve.
Speaking personally, i trade as an individual and have no desire to join in with the community/interactive stuff of which you speak. I arrived in my asp and delivered my 40t load last night. I assumed that i would not be able to do the mining cg as i had nothing equipped and no room for it and wasnt intending to go back home to get it or fetch my annie.
I'm delighted that the market situation has changed and i may be able to join in even at a pretty basic level. From a role play pov i dont look at is as meddling by FD, just changing circumstances some of which you win and some you lose. I think i probably speak for a lot of folks who would otherwise be excluded from this adventure.
Respect and rep
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... And i would like an A6 scoop and an ADS to be available to purchase at Jaques so that i can max my mining operation and also think about the long journey back but at the moment they are not. So all is not yet rosy in the garden. I won't be shouting for it but if it happens then that will be cool and if not i will cope!
Speaking personally, i trade as an individual and have no desire to join in with the community/interactive stuff of which you speak. I arrived in my asp and delivered my 40t load last night. I assumed that i would not be able to do the mining cg as i had nothing equipped and no room for it and wasnt intending to go back home to get it or fetch my annie.
I'm delighted that the market situation has changed and i may be able to join in even at a pretty basic level. From a role play pov i dont look at is as meddling by FD, just changing circumstances some of which you win and some you lose. I think i probably speak for a lot of folks who would otherwise be excluded from this adventure.
Respect and rep
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... And i would like an A6 scoop and an ADS to be available to purchase at Jaques so that i can max my mining operation and also think about the long journey back but at the moment they are not. So all is not yet rosy in the garden. I won't be shouting for it but if it happens then that will be cool and if not i will cope!
I'll try to put a shift in between now and Sunday then. If it's finished before I arrive, well that's just too bad. Made around 1k ly last night in around an hour so it'll take some effort.
See you soon CMDRs!
See you soon CMDRs!
How do you refine coltan into tantalum?
Goose4291
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It used to be that the varying tiers of success resulted in differing global rewards: eg when obsidian orbital was being constructed, the tier it finished in reflected in the services the station offered. Same went with the first round of Emperors Dawn CG's (ie tier one victory was checked, tier 2 was eliminated and 3 was eliminated plus eliminated in one other system.
A return to this base level of complexity is what a lot of people were clamouring for because community investment in the event reflected the quality of its outcome, as opposed to the current model of 'tier one: total victory' we have now.
Unrelated: Long star, thanks for highlighting what I was trying to say in a better way than I can hammering away on my phone.
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I am very surprised that I am in disagreement with fellow Cmdr's that I have always agreed with. And even stranger to find I agree with another Cmdr that I have not usually agreed with. If nothing else it has galvanised a few people.
All our efforts have not been for nothing, Quite the contrary. That tavern turned out to be a nice place with a lot of like minded Cmdr's around.
We have formed new friendships and alliances that I hope will stand the test of time. We have encouraged new players, That were hesitant to play in open to come out and see that it's more rewarding out here, We have players in our home system mining, that said they would NEVER fit a mining laser to their ship, that has created more group "comedy" lore. We are not halting the operation, But it will now be just another grind fest and lack the fun element.
I can definitely confirm that, With an organised mining team, backed by a logistics team delivering the only other expendable requirement, It would have been more efficient. It is plain to see that if you transfer the whole fixed requirements and organise an efficient supply chain for the variables, that it is vastly more effective. @Shlong Please put it spoiler tags, Mobile users are having a lot of difficulty, Cheers.
Is this a known fact?, Personally I would have made the station as light as possible for the jump and take only what was required to fabricate from the resources that will be available.
They were restored sometime between midnight galactic time and 6 am i think but on WEDNESDAY Not known anything Cg wise to tick on a Wednesday without the dead hand of the devs. No Cg of this nature has ever given the services that the community is trying to achieve, before the Cg has ended. Now I am all up for changing the rules if something is not working. But when it starts, it should not be interfered with.
Exactly this, I don't have an opinion on whether the CG setup was bad, good, the tea ladies daughter, Those that know me, know I gave up on trying to understand the logic behind some CG's a long time ago, But once it starts, the rules should be fixed in stone.
Economy mode?[yesnod] Turning round, selecting fastest route on.
Blaze your own trail. As originally set, It was playable by every player in every mode. Any player could mine the Osmium in the bubble and haul it out there and contribute. Others chose to blaze their trail with other like minded in an open environment, whether that be spending their trail time hauled up with others in a tavern somewhere coming up with a more innovative way, and having enormous fun in the planning and execution & planned lore, Or going as a lone miner with a 4 week plan in solo. No trailblazer can make plans on an ever shifting table. It is only "crystal clear" if you blaze your trail with the expectation of the shifting table. Is that what we want?
All our efforts have not been for nothing, Quite the contrary. That tavern turned out to be a nice place with a lot of like minded Cmdr's around.
We have formed new friendships and alliances that I hope will stand the test of time. We have encouraged new players, That were hesitant to play in open to come out and see that it's more rewarding out here, We have players in our home system mining, that said they would NEVER fit a mining laser to their ship, that has created more group "comedy" lore. We are not halting the operation, But it will now be just another grind fest and lack the fun element.
Sir it was never about "Winning" But that is how we advertised it. How we issued our challenge. It isn't truly winnable. But the idea was to "SET A GOAL" Need to make it special I mean , Have to make 1235 Jumps to get out to Jaques with my ship in a mining config because when I came out back in my day, i.e JULY 2016 instead of AUGUST 2016, they didn't have outfitting. What was that special goal, well making a massive contribution to the effort. Never about winning. Was about promoting the wing, delivering a metric F_ton of Osmium and bringing pilots together. I thought I'd made that pretty clear.
May I respectfully ask why it is ok for Frontier to constantly have these "bugs" and it be ok? This is prevalent in every area of the game and we just come to have "lowered our expectations" that this is ok and the best they can do instead of asking for more?
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Im glad you are. Please note, with the way Mining works, you will quickly find that flying alone, you will plateau at a maximum rate by which you can attain resources. However, while mining in a group you will find this to be greatly increased by working together. If you want to know how, give me a jingle as Im in the neighborhood of Jaques "winning the CG LOL"
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Hate to disagree with you boss, but this forum is meant to be viewed at 1920x1080 and this is 2016. Mobile users having trouble viewing a forum on a 3 inch screen and complaining about it is asinine and I've also made my peace that this is no longer my problem in life. I have applied my last spoiler tag faux pas or no. in this lifetime while on this forum. If this is a big enough fraking issue I will leave it to the Frontier forum crywhiners to implore Frontier to make them automatic. Since I'm all about collaboration I have initiated an effort for this to automatically happen. If you in this forum truly believe this to be an issue feel free to post your support in the thread on the topic. As for me I will no longer entertain requests to do it manually. Something something about SPACE LIFE being too SHORT. I got rocks to cut.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/278519-Spoiler-TAGS?p=4314671#post4314671
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