PSA: Jaques Station Mining Services Are Now Open!

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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May I respectfully ask why it is ok for Frontier to constantly have these "bugs" and it be ok? …

It's not OK that FD constantly makes mistakes and errors while setting up CGs. It's annoying and sometimes frustrating. That's why I'm glad that they, at least, fix those things most of the time the moment they realize their mistake or error.

I understand that it's annoying to try to work around these mistakes and problems and then notice that all the work was unnecessary, but at the same time I think errors made by FD isn't something players should have to work around.

I don't think that FD changed the tier requirements and in that case the mining CG would have been (probably) impossible to finish without limpets, no matter how much work, dedication and organization players would have poured into it. You probably thought it would have been possible.
We will never know - unless FD tells us.

It's similar to the "repair" CG. I bet if FD hadn't changed the tier requirements it would still be below tier 1.

The Jaques CGs are a complete mess and a wasted opportunity.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

Hate to disagree with you boss, but this forum is meant to be viewed at 1920x1080 and this is 2016. Mobile users having trouble viewing a forum on a 3 inch screen and complaining about it is asinine and I've also made my peace that this is no longer my problem in life. I have applied my last spoiler tag faux pas or no. in this lifetime while on this forum. If this is a big enough fraking issue I will leave it to the Frontier forum crywhiners to implore Frontier to make them automatic. Since I'm all about collaboration I have initiated an effort for this to automatically happen. If you in this forum truly believe this to be an issue feel free to post your support in the thread on the topic. As for me I will no longer entertain requests to do it manually. Something something about SPACE LIFE being too SHORT. I got rocks to cut.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/278519-Spoiler-TAGS?p=4314671#post4314671

Actually you are dead right, I even fell for it myself by trying to please everyone.

 

[Andovar]

It's not OK that FD constantly makes mistakes and errors while setting up CGs. It's annoying and sometimes frustrating. That's why I'm glad that they, at least, fix those things most of the time the moment they realize their mistake or error.

The question is, why does it seem to be happening so often now? Why aren't they questioning things internally, and asking the "ok, where could this go wrong?" questions before releasing a new CG?
I understand that "hand of god" changes have to occur in a game sometimes. No matter how much you plan, sometimes something whacky and game breaking things just comes up. But with FD, this is now seeming like standard practice, rather than the exception to the rule.

 

[Adam Jay]

What Star is pointing out, is that bug or not, conmunity rose to the challenge and F : D did not responded to that. Not only leaving such a bug is unexcusable, but this crude solution broke the gameplay immersion on unbelievable levels totaly disregarding any player reaction to the CG developement. If for example the station services would be renewed after the previous CG connected with the station was completed, it would at least make sense, but this is just cheap and makes you feel like you cant rely on anything in this game.

 

[VR Morgan Grimes]

I arrived at Jaques today and Fuel Scoops were available in outfitting, dropped off my 252 tons of power generators and bought a load of limpets for mining with having dumped the 100 I was carrying until they became available for purchase, mining here I come lol

 

[kofeyh]

Station is getting pretty busy. Seems a few nefarious folks have arrived. Have delivered cargo for Jaques, been shot at a bit and mined a bit for the hilariously rediculous mining CG that looks to be at least 50,000 tons per teir for the first two teirs, with hundreds of thousands per teir beyond that - which is probably not going to make teir 3, let alone finish.

 

[V'larr]

How do you refine coltan into tantalum?

Coltan is one of the minerals you can get in Metal Rich and Rocky sources, and - ingame at least - is refined into Tantalum when processed in a Refinery. (colTAN > TANtalum)

SORRY I was wrong, I just tested it and nope...turns into refined Coltan. :|

I arrived at Jaques today and Fuel Scoops were available in outfitting, dropped off my 252 tons of power generators and bought a load of limpets for mining with having dumped the 100 I was carrying until they became available for purchase, mining here I come lol

Can confirm, but the selection is still limited! I'll edit my OP with what's available as of my post right now.

Station is getting pretty busy. Seems a few nefarious folks have arrived. Have delivered cargo for Jaques, been shot at a bit and mined a bit for the hilariously rediculous mining CG that looks to be at least 50,000 tons per teir for the first two teirs, with hundreds of thousands per teir beyond that - which is probably not going to make teir 3, let alone finish.

Well, seeing as it only 'really' started 2 nights ago, I say give it time. Many folks are still in transit from the human bubble, and while I doubt the mining CG will reach tier 8, I'm willing to bet it will pick up.

I mean, seeing as the services got unlocked, I'm loathe to turn to Frontier and ask they lower the requirements again unless it's absolutely evident that it's got unrealistically lofty goals.

 

[Goose4291]

I mean, seeing as the services got unlocked, I'm loathe to turn to Frontier and ask they lower the requirements again unless it's absolutely evident that it's got unrealistically lofty goals.

You are right it will pick up (a lot of folk are enroute)

But you won't need to ask Frontier to lower the requirements. It'll just happen automatically if it doesn't look like it's going the way to match their intended narrative.

 

[V'larr]

You are right it will pick up (a lot of folk are enroute)
But you won't need to ask Frontier to lower the requirements. It'll just happen automatically if it doesn't look like it's going the way to match their intended narrative.

...Except that's not how it's worked?

Every time Frontier's intervened with CGs, it's been at the behest of players voicing themselves and making noise about something that isn't right.

If it were just the "automatic" puppetmaster, these things would happen from the get-go - CGs that might as well be autocompleted, or that can't be counteracted in any way - it would be very obvious if that's what was going on.

But it's not.

edit: It's not perfect either, surely, and *good grief* the communication of what's going on would be wonderful...just, take it easy with the cynical suspicion, says I.

 

[dynamicbob]

the hauling CG on current trends will end within 36 hours ..... so the mining CG and any CGs that might come straight after perhaps an exploration CG to celebrate the restoration of those services, or another mining Cg for gold/silver to upgrade jaques wealth in some way

 

[Tel Prydain]

Just to be contrary and because wild speculation seems to be a trend, here is some more. I must point out though I do not necessarily agree with what I write.

The Repair CG hit tier 5 and 50%. Could that have been the kick in point for partial services return? To get the station fully up and running tier 8 will have to be met?

Were the Meta Alloys ignored? I have no idea but I know how much I delivered and the amount a few others hauled out. The time to let the community do it ourselves was lost as soon as a CG was started. I wasn't happy about that but I'll play by the rules.

I am not saying FDev didn't interfere but before lighting the torches, it could be that we have met certain points that make things kickstart.

Only FDev know and they sure as heck are not about to tell us. Two sides to every story, not that I believe what I have written but it is possible.

Back to the game, I still have a load of Power Gens and Structural Regs to drop off.

After all the "whaa'ing" about this, turns out they would tell us... there's an Galnet article from the forth that pretty much just reiterates what you've said above - specifically that the materials received at that time allowed partial restoration.
Still annoying for those who had other plans, but lore-wise it's supported.

 

[Paineframe]

...Except that's not how it's worked?

Every time Frontier's intervened with CGs, it's been at the behest of players voicing themselves and making noise about something that isn't right.

If it were just the "automatic" puppetmaster, these things would happen from the get-go - CGs that might as well be autocompleted, or that can't be counteracted in any way - it would be very obvious if that's what was going on.

But it's not.

edit: It's not perfect either, surely, and *good grief* the communication of what's going on would be wonderful...just, take it easy with the cynical suspicion, says I.

Not EVERY time. One recent example is the Wyrd CG shortly before 2.1 - Fdev extended its duration by a week because it didn't get as high as they wanted it to in the first week, even though no one was complaining about it because most CG-ers were focusing their attention on the other CG running that week.

 

[V'larr]

Not EVERY time. One recent example is the Wyrd CG shortly before 2.1 - Fdev extended its duration by a week because it didn't get as high as they wanted it to in the first week, even though no one was complaining about it because most CG-ers were focusing their attention on the other CG running that week.

Dude, what?
Where were you during the Wyrd CG?

There was a gigantic, neverending torrent of complaints surrounding that Wyrd CG, both here and on Reddit, for days on end - because it was, at first indication, directly tied to the availability of the new huge weapons *everywhere* in the game and not only at that station in Wyrd.

On top of that, there was no *mention* of that in the CG when it first started, *and* it occured at the same time as two much higher-profile CGs - one related to Jaques/Fuel Rats and the other related to the Diamond Frogs, as I recall.

Believe me, the players were EXTREMELY vocal about the Wyrd CG.

 

[Paineframe]

Dude, what?
Where were you during the Wyrd CG?

There was a gigantic, neverending torrent of complaints surrounding that Wyrd CG, both here and on Reddit, for days on end - because it was, at first indication, directly tied to the availability of the new huge weapons *everywhere* in the game and not only at that station in Wyrd.

On top of that, there was no *mention* of that in the CG when it first started, *and* it occured at the same time as two much higher-profile CGs - one related to Jaques/Fuel Rats and the other related to the Diamond Frogs, as I recall.

Believe me, the players were EXTREMELY vocal about the Wyrd CG.

Yeah, but that was AFTER they extended it. In the first week, it got very little attention, so Frontier extended it. About halfway through the second week, Frontier realized that it still wasn't getting any attention, so they leaked the fact that it was tied to gimballed huge weapons, and only then did players get vocal about it. The outcry didn't come until AFTER Frontier had extended it, because when they first extended it no one knew that it was anything more than the usual generic meaningless CG.

 

[V'larr]

Yeah, but that was AFTER they extended it. In the first week, it got very little attention, so Frontier extended it. About halfway through the second week, Frontier realized that it still wasn't getting any attention, so they leaked the fact that it was tied to gimballed huge weapons, and only then did players get vocal about it. The outcry didn't come until AFTER Frontier had extended it, because when they first extended it no one knew that it was anything more than the usual generic meaningless CG.

You've got your series of events backward. I was *there*. I was one of those being vocal about that CG.

 

[the games masta]

Has universal cartograpics been added yet?

 

[PavelKCZ]

Has universal cartograpics been added yet?

Not yet.

 

[the games masta]

Not yet.

Hmmm... Maybe it never will, some stations in the bubble don't have it

 

[PavelKCZ]

Hmmm... Maybe it never will, some stations in the bubble don't have it

Well, there was no change since the CG finished. Most probably because it was a weekend. We will see tomorrow or maybe Thursday after the regular server restart.

 

[Long Star]

After all the "whaa'ing" about this, turns out they would tell us... there's an Galnet article from the forth that pretty much just reiterates what you've said above - specifically that the materials received at that time allowed partial restoration.
Still annoying for those who had other plans, but lore-wise it's supported.

Always nice to have confirmation of plans from the developer after they execute them. Sorta like Japan on December 7th, communicating their declaration of war after bombing Pearl Harbor. Didn't turn out to well for their 10 year plan either did it?