Pulse Wave Analyzer

Elfias

Elfias
Hi Commanderes,

after seeing many YT videos and read a lot of text I would like to ask if someone who really understands how that scanner works can explain it to me, it would be much appreciated as my blood preassure is dangerously high already :D

So I went into rings scaning all around. Time to time theres quite bright asteroid, when I check it with prospector limpet which from unknown reason keeps dieing very often I find only water and low amount. About that prospector...I thought its me flying too fast or too slow or pitching so I smash it. After many experiments this still has to be proven somehow as pretty much sometimes its released at 250 and its fine and sometimes its dieing while I fly at 80, straight ahad, no pitching. So I cant wrap my mind around this.

Anyway that scanner...it seems like there are 2 stages of what it display, feels like surface and after that maybe inside?!
Is there any official How to from Frontier as Im used to have manual for a game I bought.

Can some experienced miner somehow explain how it works step by step for idiots please? Preferably someone who really knows how it works not someone whos repeating what some old lady said.

Thanks a lot and sorry for ranting :D At least I found some opals and low temperature diamonds but I don't see any connections...
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
I've collected a lot of void opals. If you are hunting for rocks to explode, the pulse wave analyzer can be confusing, because a lot of the rocks are bright ..... but you want the few rocks that show up occasionally that are very very bright. They really shine !

It works on the principle of a penetrating radar (at least that's how I understand it).

If you can, fly beneath the ring (upside down if necessary to improve visibility) and keep pinging with the analyzer to light up rocks. Moving forward fairly fast in an S-shape improves your chances of finding a crackable rock.
In ice rings, for void opals, the crackable rocks tend to look like pop-corn, with lumps and bumps on. But you have to be patient for the right ones - it's not always as easy as some have implied .... sometimes you just have to keep pinging and moving forward. And sometimes, the one you want is tucked behind another rock, hiding.

Assuming you've located a hotspot, target it so that you can be sure you are moving towards it in one direction, rather than circling back over your old tracks by mistake.

Once you find one, shining really brightly, you will know it! But it looks like you've found a few already.

You should notice that the brighter the rock, the more content it has. Whether it is void opals or alexandrite or LTDs is immaterial, it is the quantity of content that matters. Not all have fissures, of course. The best yield comes from the rocks with fissures.

When you explode the rock, the yield depends mostly on whether you set the ideal charge .... too small and it might not crack at all ... too much and you destroy some of the product. If the explosives are set showing blue in the top right screen, you should get maximum yield to blast off with the abrasion blaster after the bang.
 
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Maymo

Maymo
To avoid any prospecting woes, use the external camera to check out the asteroid first. If you can see fissures in it then you’ve found a core asteroid and you can go ahead and prospect...

The pulse scanner is a bit glitchy. Sometimes it’ll just flash it’s results briefly, or a collector will surge forward and seemingly disturb its scan. Overall it works ok though, it’s just easy to misinterpret the brightness of the asteroids on your first few hunts...

...as Lightspeed said, the ones you want are really really bright! You’ll get an eye for it.
 

Bloodsign

Bloodsign
For a colorblind individual the process is a bit tricky, I have learned to look for very bright asteroids with black highlights; this is the pulse wave analyzer pinging the core.

As for the collectors, you can only have so many active at a time (based on the controller) and shooting out more than that will kill the oldest limpet. If you go beyond a certain range from the limpet, it will also expire. Finally, if you launch the limpet while traveling too fast, your ship will hit and destroy the limpet as it exits your cargo scoop (which is where they launch from). I generally deploy my cargo scoop the entire time I am mining (which limits ship speed) and this helps me not to fly at speeds which are dangerous for prospector limpets.
 

Elfias

Elfias
Thank you very much everyone! Right after I made this post I found Opals and Gersomethingium, both Deep Core so I mined them a bit. Gersomethingium was disaster, limpets collected those pieces but then I got messages that limpets expired, I guess they was so happy from finding that they smashed right into rest of asteroid. If they would have a little bit more sense or health it might be better for them little guys.

But lessons learned, take something smaller and lighter than T-10 next time, well as very inexperienced miner I wanted to be prepared for everything and I was, with exeption of flying steel brick. Even G5 thrusters and all that didn't help much. I find it quite fun to fly it through the field but it takes quite some time for it to change direction so no more T-10.
Actually I would like to ask for what is that ship used for, cant imagine it in fight.

From what you say and that nice guide (which is really nice as there are pictures included, I like pictures) its obvious there are some quite same lighting asteroids, that's where I got mad, checking glowing ones to see they have a lot of subsurface water...

So basicly when its glowing a lot get close and send limpet to check whats inside while checking from close visually also helps. Ok Ill equip smaller ship and give it a try again.

Btw how many collector limpets are you using? Im such "in hurry" player and somehow 2x C5 (6 limpets looks a bit slow)?!
 
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Maymo

Maymo
Elfias said:
Thank you very much everyone! Right after I made this post I found Opals and Gersomethingium, both Deep Core so I mined them a bit. Gersomethingium was disaster, limpets collected those pieces but then I got messages that limpets expired, I guess they was so happy from finding that they smashed right into rest of asteroid. If they would have a little bit more sense or health it might be better for them little guys.

But lessons learned, take something smaller and lighter than T-10 next time, well as very inexperienced miner I wanted to be prepared for everything and I was, with exeption of flying steel brick. Even G5 thrusters and all that didn't help much. I find it quite fun to fly it through the field but it takes quite some time for it to change direction so no more T-10.
Actually I would like to ask for what is that ship used for, cant imagine it in fight.

From what you say and that nice guide (which is really nice as there are pictures included, I like pictures) its obvious there are some quite same lighting asteroids, that's where I got mad, checking glowing ones to see they have a lot of subsurface water...

So basicly when its glowing a lot get close and send limpet to check whats inside while checking from close visually also helps. Ok Ill equip smaller ship and give it a try again.

Btw how many collector limpets are you using? Im such "in hurry" player and somehow 2x C5 (6 limpets looks a bit slow)?!
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Try A rating your limpet controllers, the limpets will last longer (though they will still be a bit stupid and kill themselves).
I try to always have 4+ limpets out for core mining.

A very fast ship with a good view is a winning combination fore core mining. I use an Orca, boosts over 500 and its canopy is perfect for pulse wave analysis. Filling its hold usually tests the limits on my patience.
 

Elfias

Elfias
I just got Krait MkII as I saw many ppl using it. Now ill have to do common circle around engineers and we will see. I have 2x C5 A Collectors so lets hope they will do well.
I have to say that one thing I really like is material traders. Somehow I always have enough mats for engineers and if not I just trade them.

Only thing Im a bit concerned about is just 64t of cargo. Somehow It looks like Ill have to buy another Pythoon anyway which would be a shame. I always end in Pythoon and that makes whole experience less rich. We will see.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
The main thing to understand about the PWA is what it detects.

Basically, all it does is highlight the presence of features such as surface deposits, sub-surface deposits and core-fractures (all the new stuff FDev added recently) in asteroids.

It's doesn't differentiate between types of feature and nor does it indicate the value of ore to be found within a 'roid.

For example, if an asteroid has a heap of surface deposits and subsurface deposits it'll glow fairly bright when you ping it with your PWS, even if they're all deposits of something like water, with no value.

Course, the asteroids that glow the brightest ARE the deep-core 'roids - although that's no guarantee they'll contain what you're hoping for - and it also becomes easier to identify "proper" deep-core 'roids with experience, as you become aware that there are only a limited variety of 'roids and will be able to spot the ones that are "red herrings" and which ones are valuable.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about visually identifying deep-core 'roids.
Load your cargo hold up with limpets, launch a prospector at anything that looks likely and you'll almost certainly find enough deep-core 'roids so that you'll end-up having to dump limpets to make space for ore in your cargo hold.

Use the limpets as a learning tool.
Whenever you see a 'roid that's glowing brightly, look at it's size and shape and then launch a prospector.
If it comes back negative, try to learn from that.
Next time you see a similar 'roid you might think "that's like the one I saw earlier".
Launch a limpet at it anyway, just to confirm you were right.

Either way, you'll gradually become familiar with the types of 'roid that are valuable and the ones that are red herrings.
 

Maymo

Maymo
Elfias said:
I just got Krait MkII as I saw many ppl using it. Now ill have to do common circle around engineers and we will see. I have 2x C5 A Collectors so lets hope they will do well.
I have to say that one thing I really like is material traders. Somehow I always have enough mats for engineers and if not I just trade them.

Only thing Im a bit concerned about is just 64t of cargo. Somehow It looks like Ill have to buy another Pythoon anyway which would be a shame. I always end in Pythoon and that makes whole experience less rich. We will see.
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Maybe change your 2 5A collectors to 3A.
For my Krait I had:-

1x1A prospector
1x2A refinery
2x3A collector (4 limpets)

Should leave you enough room for max shields and 120+ cargo, the class 4 slot can take another 3A collector to give you 6 active collectors.
 

Ethaidan

Ethaidan
@Elfias just in case you didn't know - do NOT target a fragment before launching a limpet. When you do, the limpet picks up that fragment and then expires, so make sure you have nothing targeted before launching your limpets.

PS I'm not sure how you only got 64t in your mining Krait. Here's the one I dragged out to Sag A and it worked just fine: https://s.orbis.zone/35qj
 
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Elfias

Elfias
Ethaidan said:
@Elfias just in case you didn't know - do NOT target a fragment before launching a limpet. When you do, the limpet picks up that fragment and then expires, so make sure you have nothing targeted before launching your limpets.

PS I'm not sure how you only got 64t in your mining Krait. Here's the one I dragged out to Sag A and it worked just fine: https://s.orbis.zone/35qj
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There are some things in Elite which I really hate so all I build is trying to compensate. Im going with this https://s.orbis.zone/35qo (look at optional only). 2x collector...maybe its overkill but one of those hated things is staring at monitor doing nothing. I have some limited experience with mining (unlocking some engineer) and I remeber me mining a lot of fragments in no time and than waiting and waiting for limpets for ages. Even with that "universal" mining T10 I used recently it was so anoying and I had C5 and C3 Collector. But i understand ppl find it relaxing. Im more of a grinder I guess, and...spice must flow.

Actualy best mining ship for me is Corvette as it can fit 3x C5 Collector but this core mining is really different, seems like speed is a key. Yeah its just me, I simply cant sit in chair waiting for limpets, traveling, outfiting animation etc... Maybe ill change it somehow but first I have to get better in seeing deep core asteroids.
 

aRJay

aRJay
The reason for agility in your mining ship is that some of the rocks you are going to be trying to line up to shoot a depth charge down a fissure are rotating quite rapidly around multiple axes.

Besides a certain lack of agility with the T10 some of the hard points are so far off centre line that hitting the fissure is unnecessarily difficult.

My current mining ship is a Python which has good capacity and hard point placement and is agile enough for most rocks.
 

Elfias

Elfias
aRJay said:
The reason for agility in your mining ship is that some of the rocks you are going to be trying to line up to shoot a depth charge down a fissure are rotating quite rapidly around multiple axes.

Besides a certain lack of agility with the T10 some of the hard points are so far off centre line that hitting the fissure is unnecessarily difficult.

My current mining ship is a Python which has good capacity and hard point placement and is agile enough for most rocks.
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I wanted to use something else than Pythoon, which I love. My ship progress was Viper > CZ > Pythoon so I skipped every small and medium ship (in 2 days). Never ever needed to go under Pythoon. But after all theres good reason for that as time is limited and Pythoon helps to not waste it. Already back in Pythoon Jack of All Trades.
 

Bloodsign

Bloodsign
Elfias said:
I wanted to use something else than Pythoon, which I love. My ship progress was Viper > CZ > Pythoon so I skipped every small and medium ship (in 2 days). Never ever needed to go under Pythoon. But after all theres good reason for that as time is limited and Pythoon helps to not waste it. Already back in Pythoon Jack of All Trades.
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I hear it's a great all arounder but I prefer my Krait MK2 as my multipurpose ship. :)
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Elfias said:
I just got Krait MkII as I saw many ppl using it. Now ill have to do common circle around engineers and we will see. I have 2x C5 A Collectors so lets hope they will do well.
I have to say that one thing I really like is material traders. Somehow I always have enough mats for engineers and if not I just trade them.

Only thing Im a bit concerned about is just 64t of cargo. Somehow It looks like Ill have to buy another Pythoon anyway which would be a shame. I always end in Pythoon and that makes whole experience less rich. We will see.
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Nothing wrong with 64t ..... I get bored easily if I have to fill more than that at one time. Gives me a break to go off and sell my juicy cargo. :)
 

Schmack

Schmack
Elfias said:
Thank you very much everyone! Right after I made this post I found Opals and Gersomethingium, both Deep Core so I mined them a bit. Gersomethingium was disaster, limpets collected those pieces but then I got messages that limpets expired, I guess they was so happy from finding that they smashed right into rest of asteroid. If they would have a little bit more sense or health it might be better for them little guys.

But lessons learned, take something smaller and lighter than T-10 next time, well as very inexperienced miner I wanted to be prepared for everything and I was, with exeption of flying steel brick. Even G5 thrusters and all that didn't help much. I find it quite fun to fly it through the field but it takes quite some time for it to change direction so no more T-10.
Actually I would like to ask for what is that ship used for, cant imagine it in fight.

From what you say and that nice guide (which is really nice as there are pictures included, I like pictures) its obvious there are some quite same lighting asteroids, that's where I got mad, checking glowing ones to see they have a lot of subsurface water...

So basicly when its glowing a lot get close and send limpet to check whats inside while checking from close visually also helps. Ok Ill equip smaller ship and give it a try again.

Btw how many collector limpets are you using? Im such "in hurry" player and somehow 2x C5 (6 limpets looks a bit slow)?!
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The T-10 is used to ferry materials to compromised nav beacons so players like me can harvest them.
 
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