Groups like Mobius are awesome, and well done to players organising it. Any kind of collaborative community effort in Elite is always heartwarming to see and I genuinely wish everyone the best out of their playtime. They should exist outside of open because of all the things I said above, in my (and many others') opinion. Mainly just so I don't have the unimmersive intrusion of lore-breaking invulnerable players riding balls-out unimpeded over systems I am (for better or worse) invested in.
You don't seem particularly open to the possibility that what's best for you might not be best for others. Extrapolating based on your opinion, and that of a few forum posts is biased. Generally only people with strong feelings one way or another are even going to bother making an account. It's worth remembering that sometimes - most people, one can assume, truck on just fine most of the time.
I personally would have no major issues with Mobius being made an official mode in principle, although implementing this would be pretty complicated or unattractive from a dev point of view. Some issues I can think of off the top of my head:
- Mobius only works on a trust basis, you can still hurt people in it, you're just told not to and risk being expelled if you do. I believe there are some rules like if you meet someone on the opposite side of a CZ you're free to engage? Even Mobius seems to acknowledge certain reasons for conflict, and works around it based on the goodwill and understanding of its playerbase. Hard-coding this into a gamemode would probably be pretty laborious, and arguably not super necessary given Mobius exists already.
- Frontier presumably present Elite as they intend it to be engaged with. Putting a lot of time and effort into programming a 'sanctioned' Mobius mode might not reflect what they want the game to be. That's their prerogative, frankly. For my part I disagree with significant other portions of their design, so I get that it can be frustrating, but it is what it is.
- I would also like to reiterate that I think, to a large extent, this kind of solution is an inelegant patch for a perceived problem that would be better solved through other, preferably diegetic means, and I really do think better for everyone. Tangible differences in system security level, more workable and fair HP balancing, more clearly signposted outlets to channel conflict, more stakes for crimes / better responses from NPC security etc. There's a lot of room for things to be improved in more subtle, interesting ways than slapping godmode on.
Player organization IS awesome. But I think you're burying the lead here. Mobius isn't saying "Hey lets organize and do X activities". They could do that easily enough in Open. What Mobius IS saying is "Let's organize specifically to AVOID PVP". So that's what is telling here in my opinion.
When 40k+ players or whatever it is have to band together and essentially create their own private server to get what they want out of the game? That's a sure sign that you've failed as an MMO. I mean flat out, that's a failure for Elite Dangerous. Your customers have a huge gigantic need you aren't adequately fulfilling . Fail.
As far as your closing argument, I might agree with the better solved other solutions if you want to discuss those. Apologies if I missed them already. I, however, obviously disagree that what we're talking about here is any kind of "godmode".
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