PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...

[Brett C]

And folks have right. If you are PvPer then you need to pretty well manage your infraction portfolio to stay active without beeing banned. In fact it may be more interesting than playing Elite sometimes.

More like, "it's not what you say, but the way you go about saying it" is how you go about getting infractions. If your post content is snide, disrespectful, rude, harassing, etc, you're going to get the wrath of the moderation team - no matter if you're a PVP'er or PVE'er or even a RP'er. There are moderators on these forums that PVP, and PVE - contrary to popular statements posted out there!

 

[Kyokushin]

More like, "it's not what you say, but the way you go about saying it" is how you go about getting infractions. If your post content is snide, disrespectful, rude, harassing, etc, you're going to get the wrath of the moderation team - no matter if you're a PVP'er or PVE'er or even a RP'er. There are moderators on these forums that PVP, and PVE - contrary to popular statements posted out there!

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[bootsam]

Not all PvP players are noob gankers. The vast majority of them are fine. I quite enjoy some of the vids. There should be a time and a place for it within the game thats valid. A galaxy without it is duller. Yes I admit to it as a PvE player. But I expect C&P to be effective and for me not to be nutted in a Hi Sec system where I am allied.

Plus I'd love to be properly pirated. Not just ganked for the sake of it.

I'd fly open if it was a properly sorted system. But it isnt.

The problem isnt PvP players, its the gankers and the forum has trouble making the distinction.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

OP:

These two posts are somewhat illustrative of the problem at hand: Over generalization. There is more overlap than many will admit. There are a multitude of individual opinions and attitudes about "PvP" and its place in elite, and relegating the entire player base one folder for PvE, and one for PvP isn't useful for understanding the dynamics and politics at work, or constructive for bridging that divide.

I am a pure PvE player outside of CQC however i welcome PvP tournaments in open with like minded players.

the problem is, one of the past "PvP" tournaments organised by said group was iirc a competition to blow up as many sidewinders as possible. ...... if you pee in the drinking water enough eventually you will no longer be welcome at the watering hole.

its in the same vein that i would love to take my little lad to a kids party............. but not if it was organised by Rolf Harris

 

[Kyokushin]

The problem isnt PvP players, its the gankers and the forum has trouble making the distinction.

400 mld of star systems, 200 ly cubic bubble
around 50-80 gankers. They are located on both hemispheres. They have limited time for game, work, school and families
It means around 10 active from 8 to 12 p.m. It means 3 wings.
They are in 2 star systems.
- Shinrarta dehzra
- some CG or some engineers. If they are on CG then they are not at engineer

Really 10 persons terrorised entire galaxy with all parrarel universes? If yes, then did better job than isis. isis terrorised only one planet.
10 persons of 2 mln sold copies.

Problem is like a monster in shadow of children room. If you turn lights on, there is no monster.

In fact there are no gankers. There is a community who refuses any, even simpliest and basic rules of gameplay and form of self-development.
IF NPC, star, player or whatever destroying their ship, they are not thinking even single microsecond they should a bit learn a rules of a game what they are playing. They want to nerf NPC, stars, players, they want gimballed plasma accelerators, turreted iWin buttons.

 

[iFred]

In fact there are no gankers. There is a community who refuses any, even simpliest and basic, rules of gameplay and form of self-development.

In fact there´s a community who overwhelmingly want to Co-Op and work against AI, instead of being ISIS`ed by some 8-10 very well known players that have fun destroying others achievements without consequences.

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

Don't mix up your differentiation of "gankers" with the many other Open players. Those like myself will just say hello and "how are you" before moving on or even offer to join you on your trip to help out or. Follow along just for the ride.
I will agree staying away from CGs and known spots in open might be a good idea if you don't want annoying by stupid people bent on all out destruction of any player they see.
But you've still got solo or private modes for them. You'll get your bonus no matter what mode you play.

 

[Shaamaan]

And folks have right. If you are PvPer then you need to pretty well manage your infraction portfolio to stay active without beeing banned. In fact it may be more interesting than playing Elite sometimes.

Well, if a PvPer starts using the term "carebear(s)" and telling people to go play solo or something along those lines... The ol' "git gud" falls somewhere in there as well (it's basically a troll response at this point).

Obviously the same can be stated when a PvEer names all PvP "ganking", "griefing" or some such. HOWEVER, the term "carebear" was coined primarily as an insult, while "ganking" and "griefing" were coined to describe a specific in-game activity and "gankers" and "griefers" the people who start those activities.

Personally, I don't much care about PvPers and what they do to each other, provided they don't barge in on my PvE experience. If they start to invade Mobius, demand making Solo somehow less rewarding (or Open more rewarding) or oppose PvE-based suggestions purely because it's not PvP related... that's when I have a problem with them. Just like I don't go into a Titanfall 2 match and demand that everyone stops all the killing.

 

[Kyokushin]

In fact there´s a community who overwhelmingly want to Co-Op and work against AI, instead of being ISIS`ed by some 8-10 very well known players that have fun destroying others achievements without consequences.

Then co-op and stop them. Or simple do not play with these 10 persons of 2mln sold copies.

The ol' "git gud" falls somewhere in there as well (it's basically a troll response at this point).

What is wrong in getting good? If i suck in something, then it simply not means a world is bad, it means i suck in something, i need to change something, i need to learn something. It simply means i need to gidgud, not anyone else.

 

[Shaamaan]

Then co-op and stop them. Or simple do not play with these 10 persons of 2mln sold copies.

The first is not always feasible or possible. It's also not what the co-op people are interested in while giving those 10 people exactly what they want. It's a lose-lose situation. As for the second sentence - if only the block feature worked as advertised...

 

[sewerratuk]

Don't mix up your differentiation of "gankers" with the many other Open players. Those like myself will just say hello and "how are you" before moving on or even offer to join you on your trip to help out or. Follow along just for the ride.
I will agree staying away from CGs and known spots in open might be a good idea if you don't want annoying by stupid people bent on all out destruction of any player they see.
But you've still got solo or private modes for them. You'll get your bonus no matter what mode you play.

Yup, the problem is that this forum feeds hatred for Open.
Every time someone new comes here to say they got blown up, the overwhelming response is 'Open is toxic and full of gankers, come and join us in Mobius and never go back to open again'. Instead of giving advice on how to deal with and learn from situations involving other players

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

How exactly was SDC's fundraiser 'fake'?

Money was donated. It was given to the relevant charity.

It was fake because it's sole intent was to rile people up. I distinctly remember the ad had expletives in it. It was a picture so the filters wouldn't pick it up and it could well interpreted as an insult to non-pvp players.

 

[Kyokushin]

The first is not always feasible or possible. It's also not what the co-op people are interested in while giving those 10 people exactly what they want. It's a lose-lose situation. As for the second sentence - if only the block feature worked as advertised...

Then do not play with them. 400 blns of star systems.... they are in only 2 systems, between 20 and 23.
You really need to give a try and look for them, to meet them. If you want to be destroyed, then you need to stubbornlny fly into two hotspots, without ANY knowledge of basic game mechanics, because this game is allowing to run by a highwake almost everytime.

You do not need to be pvp'er, good pilot, have crafted death star, whatever. You just need to avoid 2 hotspots OR know fundamental game mechanic rules.

 

[Shaamaan]

Yup, the problem is that this forum feeds hatred for Open.
Every time someone new comes here to say they got blown up, the overwhelming response is 'Open is toxic and full of gankers, come and join us in Mobius and never go back to open again'. Instead of giving advice on how to deal with and learn from situations involving other players

On one hand, you're right. There's a myriad of techniques one can employ to avoid getting blown up in Open. That said, if someone does get blown up by another player and they feel the need to vent on the forums, then chances are they aren't interested in PvP of any sort to begin with. Thus the Mobius suggestions...

 

[babelfisch]

In fact there are no gankers. There is a community who refuses any, even simpliest and basic, rules of gameplay and form of self-development.
IF NPC, star, player or whatever destroying their ship, they are not thinking even single microsecond they should a bit learn a rules of a game what they are playing. They want to nerf NPC, stars, players, they want gimballed plasma accelerators, turreted iWin buttons.

Learn the rules of the game they are playing? Like going to alien ruins in Solo / PG?

 

[Shaamaan]

Then do not play with them. 400 blns of star systems.... they are in only 2 systems, between 20 and 23.
You really need to give a try and look for them, to meet them.

You and I both know those 10 people venture into the most populated places and where they can do the most damage... If one's inclined to check those populated places out (seeking co-op, after all, which requires more than 1 person), then it's quite possible to run into one (or more) of those specific individuals...

 

[Kyokushin]

Learn the rules of the game they are playing? Like going to alien ruins in Solo / PG?

If someone like. I am also like to play on private group. My group is called 'Open'. FD even bringed it to main menu

You and I both know those 10 people venture into the most populated places and where they can do the most damage... If one's inclined to check those populated places out (seeking co-op, after all, which requires more than 1 person), then it's quite possible to run into one (or more) of those specific individuals...

1. Founders wordl.
2. CG OR engineer.

2-3 wings. You can always do high wake before they shoot you.

There are a lot of populated places and few CG's active. Also there is a lot of engineers. Its easy to find pouplated place without these 10 persons.

Ofcourse if you stubbornly want THAT place where they are, and you are refusing HIGH WAKE, then you will die, but not because they are gankers, but because you chosed to die.

 

[iFred]

Then co-op and stop them.

Oh, all of those guys use the same game mechanic as the others do - they hide into solo. In fact it´s impossible to punish them.

 

[Kyokushin]

Oh, all of those guys use the same game mechanic as the others do - they hide into solo. In fact it´s impossible to punish them.

As i understand you well, now gankers are ganking in solo?
Well....

I know well of who are you talking about, but unfortunately you cannot say where they are playing because you do not have in friends. I have. Folks are most in Open, ready for rock'n'roll. You know where to find them if you want to punish them.

 

[Runis]

Dude, people cry about how hard NPC AI is here. They cry about how hard trading is. They cry about how hard it is to travel from one end of the bubble to the other. They cry that they aren't running the Federation Navy after 2 sessions of grinding rep. They cry that paying the game 18MCr to transport their 300MCr warship across the bubble is too expensive and takes too long.

PVP? Real competition and risk? You're in the wrong neighborhood friend. And it's a damn shame.

Can't rep you enough for this.

Unfortunately it worked, all the crying made everything easy-mode, from the NPC nerf to the easy mode elite ranking and easy-mode engineers. Nothing has meaning anymore, anyone can get anything.

All went downhill since NMS failed and many joined E.D. At that point servers went bad and game started to get easy.

More and more join especially since the Thargoid showoff, i can only assume that the game will get even easier to please the masses.