PvP (Open) commanders not welcome on this forum?...

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^ You believe people are saying they're better people by being PvP-focused CMDRs? Like, better human beings? Show me the receipts.

I've mentioned this a few times in the past...

One of the highlight moments I recall in the game for me was back in Beta. Back then there was a single combat zone at Eranin. CMDRs would go there for PvP. I recall fighting an Anaconda in my Viper and I got damaged so shot off in a random direction to get away from the Anaconda and lick my wounds.

As I flew out, I noticed a new bunch of blips appear on my radar which soon locked into hollow squares. There in front of me 5-6 CMDRs in Vipers were flying into a wing formation before they then shot past me at full speed back towards the main combat zone... It was a beautiful thing to witness, and a hopeful shape of things to come. It was CMDRs at the very least interested and armed for PvP, taking part in PvP within a setting/mechanics the game offered to them, to easily participate in it.


Now let's roll on 2+ years, and what do I seemingly witness all too often now passing as PvP in ED? A group of CMDRs interdicting anyone/everyone they can, most likely the less willing/able they are the better, and opening fire...

The two main problems?
1) There is no easy way to participate in meaningful/consensual PvP.
2) Pointless interdiction/destruction is seemingly now considered the norm - as there is little/no alternative - and worse still, the game basically ignores it with no real penalties to deter it.

Make PvP great again.

A proper Crime & Punishment system would have provided that brand of structured order (while providing room to be a criminal/terrorist/pirate). Maybe one day.
 
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Then it moved onto the Hutton Incident phase, where PvP players got a rainbow of insult despite being approved by Braben himself on Twitter for their actions.

Then from that, SDC was born, because some people got sick and tired of the attitude they get from this forum and the rampant combat logging.

Strange, if I remember correctly one of the The Code higher ups - could have been the PR guy - said on this forum that the Hutton "blockade" was a thing of the SCD and that some The Code members were unofficially participating and that The Code isn't responsible for the Hutton "blockade".

I'm pretty sure that the Hutton incident was actually the first time where the SDC became more visible on the forum. Looking a lot like a division of The Code created to allow The Code to maintain their "we are good pirates" image.

An other thing was "bored to death" as an explanation why a known The Code member participated in the Hutton "blockade" - haven't read anything about combat logging until much later.

Whatever, it was long time ago and doesn't matter that much.
 
Statement 1 is factually correct. Statement 2 is not.

No.

Statement 1 is an observation, statement 2 is a statement of opinion. Neither can be 'factually correct'.

I also agree with Cosmos. I don't agree that there is a genuine griefing problem in this game. Not when you have legitimate avenues open to every player, to remove yourself from any 'griefing' scenario. You have players who kill, and players who don't. That's pretty much all there is to it.
 
Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but what about having a PvP specific sub-forum here?
PVP players could discuss builds, setup meetings/matches, recruit, etc.
Any non-pvp discussion, even if well mannered, would be modded out (yeah, I know, the mods are probably saying "god, please no!"). Heck, maybe even recruit some new PvP-only mods.

dunno... just a thought.

I think it's a bad idea. It separates the players even more and would probably increase the rift in the community even further.

It would make PvP threads invisible for players not actively looking for them.
 
Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but what about having a PvP specific sub-forum here?
PVP players could discuss builds, setup meetings/matches, recruit, etc.
Any non-pvp discussion, even if well mannered, would be modded out (yeah, I know, the mods are probably saying "god, please no!"). Heck, maybe even recruit some new PvP-only mods.

dunno... just a thought.

Very surprised that this forum dosnt have a pvp sub forum, i just thought it had one as defult...
 
I think it's a bad idea. It separates the players even more and would probably increase the rift in the community even further.

It would make PvP threads invisible for players not actively looking for them.

Still better than non existent, it would allow CMDRs to join PVP event even if they mostly play PVE.
I, for example was unaware of those PVP event and i'm glad it has been posted because Saturday i will practice my PVP skills
 

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No.

Statement 1 is an observation, statement 2 is a statement of opinion. Neither can be 'factually correct'.

I also agree with Cosmos. I don't agree that there is a genuine griefing problem in this game. Not when you have legitimate avenues open to every player, to remove yourself from any 'griefing' scenario. You have players who kill, and players who don't. That's pretty much all there is to it.

And therein lies the rub...you stating that you believe there is no griefing problem is also nothing more than a personal opinion, and not one that is shared by everyone...or even a majority.

And then theres the way in which we remove ourselves from the griefing scenario...by playing in solo. This is also a serious issue fer pvprs if the amount of salty threads complaining about them is anything to go by. This is a very one sided argument because its always open players trying to entice solo players back into open...by accusing them of being cowards and sub par players...then wondering why they get a frosty reception. Ye see the problem yet?

Solo players are by and large, perfectly content with the game in solo. Open pve would be cool as thats having our cake and eating it, but realistically, it wont ever happen no matter how much we beg FD fer it. But its really only open players who appear to have issues with so many playing in solo, and spread their vitriol all over the forums accusing us of all sorts.

This isnt gonna get magically better until those with issues start being a little more mature and use a thing called mutual respect...common basic manners would be cool but thats hoping fer too much, and from both sides of the fence here as Ive seen more than a few pve players with pretty narky attitudes...just saying that most the worst of the salt is actually just a reaction to pvp players who appear to think they funny when the reality is that they are about as funny as a dose of chronic dihorrea.
 
^ You believe people are saying they're better people by being PvP-focused CMDRs? Like, better human beings? Show me the receipts.
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Read a number of postings of a user here, where the name ends with "osmo". Try to read them from a neutral attitude. Do they really contain the message "i do PvP and thus i am a better PvP pilot"? Or do they rather carry the message "i do PvP and thus i am superior to you in many ways"?
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Of course this can be interpreted, but the reactions to his postings tell me that many people understand it in the second way, which is not surprising considering how they are written. His postings started the discussion you started to add to.
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It's really on how posings are written. When Gluttony writes something, it's usually in a neutral tone, both good to read and worth reading. (I mean, there's also a number of times where i thought he was wrong, but the way it was presented i was still able to respect the point of view and accept where he was coming from. ) When the other one i just mentioned writes a posting, it's usually written specifically in a style to offend people and stir up trouble. Maybe this is completely unintentional, although their number and consistence would indicate otherwise. Unfortunately they get read and regularily result in the same negative reaction, which could be an accident or could be their very goal.
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Please evaluate where you stand, as i sometimes also get the impression that you unintentionally fuel and support the toxic and contraproductive part of this community, despite having good intentions. This really is not about what you say, but how you sometimes present it.
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And yes, of course this again is how i read and interpret things. I can be completely wrong, just like all the others who have the very same impression. But isn't this the core of this thread: the -impression- people get here? There's a tone a posting carries and unfortunately there's a number of people here who regularily post in a way which directly attacks another poster. (Which i unfortunately here, in this thread, also did. I feel sorry for that but i needed an example to point it out and one just presented himself so eagerly. )
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And that's also how i feel about the complete thread and topic here: either playstyle is very much welcome by a good part of the community. Unfortunately a small and very vocal part of either side either can't or doesn't want to follow the guidelines for a good and respectful communication, resulting in the negative feelings this thread is about.
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Unfortunately i also guess that i could preach for manners and good behaviour forever, but while the majority who follow these principles will simply be bored to death, those it really addresses will either ignore or not understand what i want to tell them. :(
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^ You believe people are saying they're better people by being PvP-focused CMDRs? Like, better human beings? Show me the receipts.



Make PvP great again.

A proper Crime & Punishment system would have provided that brand of structured order (while providing room to be a criminal/terrorist/pirate). Maybe one day.

A lot of us have been saying this for a looooong time... I'd actually be happy to see an entire update dedicated to this - the surprise of 2.4, perhaps?

And as you say, balance the key, I want bad guys, but there should be areas where it's safe to do you thing.

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I hope that PvEers such as myself would welcome PvPers as well. The only issues I have with them is when they start demanding that theirs is the only way, that PvP must be catered to at the cost of all others, or that anyone who disagrees is a carebear, a forum dad, or worse. I don't think we dislike PvPers, we just dislike them calling us names, accusing us of cowardice etc, calling our playstyle illigitimate, and so on. Do you blame us for disliking that? Really, if PvPers feel unwelcome here, it's only because of the way they've attempted to treat PvEers who (in this game at least) are the majority players. The same thing happens to PvEers on the vast majority of MMO games for the same reason as it happens to PvPers here - the majority tends to dominate. The fact that PvEers are treating PvPers here the same way that PvPers treat PvEers on other game forums is poetic justice, really.
That's not very fair at all. You're painting so called PvEers as a completely innocent party, a repressed majority even. Poetic justice? So PvPers in ED are being punished for the crimes of PvPers in other games? Wow, well that right there highlights how disgraceful it is to tar a whole community with the same brush.

Let's be honest here; many, many PvEers demand that you play their way or go home, that PvE must be catered to at all costs and anyone that disagrees is a PvP-pro bro leet (a term used in a derogatory sense just as much as carebear) or accused of being a ganker, or a griefer or even a sociopath in real life. Their playstyle being insulted and called illegitimate - how is any of that any different than insults such as forum dads, carebears, cowards, boo on their playstyle, etc?

Surely PvEers need to take some responsibility for the way they behave here as well no? Ganking PvPers on this forum has become a form of sport, as if it's some sort of territorial thing, "how dare they come into our house and start talking about a playstyle that none of us are interested in." Can you really blame PvPers for disliking this kind of behaviour towards them?

From the perspective of someone who plays and enjoys both PvE and PvP both sides can be as bad as each other as well as both sides having some awesome people in them. No one side can claim innocence though as shots have been fired from both. At the end of the day it's just a video game that all of us enjoy playing, there really is no need for people to hate on each other or to continue feeding a pro-division mentality if they really don't want to.
 
Yesterday I posted a video of me interdicting a Cutter who had no shields, he instantly blew up because our ships spawned in a way that made them collide. There was no shaming or blaming him personally, I tried to use the thread and video to get people to realize that running shieldless is a bad idea. The video was removed from the post and the thread was locked.

I also posted it on reddit where there also is a naming and shaming rule, but it was kept up and got 2k views as well as sparking a lot of discussion. Do you see why I prefer posting on reddit?

That video was hilarious, stupid shieldless trader hahaha
 
That's not very fair at all. You're painting so called PvEers as a completely innocent party, a repressed majority even. Poetic justice? So PvPers in ED are being punished for the crimes of PvPers in other games? Wow, well that right there highlights how disgraceful it is to tar a whole community with the same brush.

Let's be honest here; many, many PvEers demand that you play their way or go home, that PvE must be catered to at all costs and anyone that disagrees is a PvP-pro bro leet (a term used in a derogatory sense just as much as carebear) or accused of being a ganker, or a griefer or even a sociopath in real life. Their playstyle being insulted and called illegitimate - how is any of that any different than insults such as forum dads, carebears, cowards, boo on their playstyle, etc?

Surely PvEers need to take some responsibility for the way they behave here as well no? Ganking PvPers on this forum has become a form of sport, as if it's some sort of territorial thing, "how dare they come into our house and start talking about a playstyle that none of us are interested in." Can you really blame PvPers for disliking this kind of behaviour towards them?

From the perspective of someone who plays and enjoys both PvE and PvP both sides can be as bad as each other as well as both sides having some awesome people in them. No one side can claim innocence though as shots have been fired from both. At the end of the day it's just a video game that all of us enjoy playing, there really is no need for people to hate on each other or to continue feeding a pro-division mentality if they really don't want to.

Very well said. PVE only players often like to play the victim card, while they often throw just as many personal insults and the like as the PvP they accuse of being terrible people.
 
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I don't like PvP, but I don't mind if others do. Sadly many PvP players I met ingame where either outright hostile or thought being more competent in combat would mean anything. Nothing against competitive player who like to test their skills against consent others. Those bullies I met are another matter completely.
 
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