PVP piracy - Destroyed three trader ships over 4t of cargo... help me understand

[Morbad]

There is a way to force it, you disable drives and/or use hatch breakers. Iv forced it several times without destroying my target.

That relies less on your competence than the incompetence or a degree of willingness of your target.

Though I suppose this isn't an entirely implausible state of things, I would prefer that the right tools and tactics could be used to corner just about anyone.

 

[Threeofseven]

That relies less on your competence than the incompetence or a degree of willingness of your target.

In some cases yes. In most I doubt it. However, Yuri Grom's containment missile might be very useful for piracy.

 

[CMDR Aengus]

Principle?

Something along the lines of you dirty manky thieving illegitimate son of a so and so.

Whats wrong with people round here. If its not care beards demanding safe spaces its pew pew jocks demanding everyone pulls over and does what they say.

You know Open means Do as Thou Will right...

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Only the commanders in question could possibly answer your question.

 

[Lokus Midgard]

The comms panel is not ideal because if you're looking down at your instruments you may not notice that you've been sent a text message. So it's entirely possible that upon being interdicted, your customers didn't see your hails and decided to make a run for it just in case. Once the fireworks start, the last thing I look at is my comms panel.

I concur. It can be surprisingly easy to not realise you've been messaged.

Also, there's the trust issue: Are those demands legitimate or just a ploy to get you to slow down and be destroyed?

Plus, people don't just trade. Many of us exclusively undertake missions because they're more profitable and if you haven't got any cargo space left over for anything else (or want the mass savings), giving even one unit of the cargo over means you've failed the mission and that will have consequences (or perhaps the eventual mission reward is simply far too lucrative to want to fail it).

 

[Piercetech]

Had the same thing happen to me even got combat loggers. Probably they think its a npc or they just think they can get away with out dropping 4 tons of cargo. A lot of these people don't know how to escape instead they just run in one direction which is easy fire for us.

 

[Zeeman]

When flying in Open, you need to be more grounded than this. This is how people get killed for no reason.

This. Tither "Git Gud™" at trading, or give in to the demands and keep the re-buy screen away.

...care beards...

BWAHAHAHAH! This is awesome. You've made my morning.

I concur. It can be surprisingly easy to not realise you've been messaged.

Also, there's the trust issue: Are those demands legitimate or just a ploy to get you to slow down and be destroyed?

Plus, people don't just trade. Many of us exclusively undertake missions because they're more profitable and if you haven't got any cargo space left over for anything else (or want the mass savings), giving even one unit of the cargo over means you've failed the mission and that will have consequences (or perhaps the eventual mission reward is simply far too lucrative to want to fail it).

In which case, one should have one's ship equipped to deal with the situation. Speed, hull tank, shield tank, 6x rail gun smile... Something that gives you a shot.

Z...

 

[Lokus Midgard]

Not all ships can really be equipped in that way. Type-9 comes to mind...

 

[Mohrgan]

Because there is room in Valhalla for Traders that fight back.

 

[Mr_Blastman]

Greedy trader decides to run rather than give up some cargo. Kill them dead. Those rich tax evaders deserve to know the meaning of pain. Be sure to keep a detailed spreadsheet of who pays and who doesn't. That way, the next time you see a punk who tried to stiff you, you'll know to try and tax them once more and see if they've learned their lesson. If they haven't... blow 'em up a second time! And a third! Keep twisting the screws until they learn the meaning of respect!

The law is simple--pay your taxes or face penalties for your crimes.

 

[smiths121]

The comms panel is not ideal because if you're looking down at your instruments you may not notice that you've been sent a text message. So it's entirely possible that upon being interdicted, your customers didn't see your hails and decided to make a run for it just in case. Once the fireworks start, the last thing I look at is my comms panel.

However, first thing I do when being interdicted by a player is look at the comms panel. Intruments come later.

OP only think I can suggest if you are not already doing this is to send the comms in SC just before interdicting.

Simon

 

[Erasmus Boone]

As it stands, most people submitting to piracy attempts are Westworld style tourists playing a game within a game. CMDRs should be offended about piracy, should hate pirates, and pirates who are skilled and equipped properly should be able to pirate them anyway.

This is a computer game, it is a form of entertainment. If you make it too onesided in favour of the pirate taking away any options/choices from the trader then whats the game for the trader? Why should they bother flying in open. I'm all for player pirating in open but it should be balanced so both 'sides' get to play.

 

[Morbad]

I'm all for player pirating in open but it should be balanced so both 'sides' get to play.

That's exactly what I'm after. As it stands I face next to no threat from any given wing attempting to destroy any of my ships, and piracy is significantly more difficult.

I want it to be balanced to the point that I can be challenged without having to do deliberately stupid things.

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

So I was pirating at the Parun CG last night and had 6, or so, customers. My demands were: drop 4t (four!) of cargo. I've stated demands before opening fire (and waited for a response) and then repeatedly while firing at the target. I let players go if they dropped cargo even if they tried to run first (other pirates may not).

But: Some players chose to be destroyed rather than dropping 4t. They are in Open with the chance of piracy and when someone comes along with very reasonable demands they seem to prefer losing their ship over it??

Help me understand.... Why?

Don't worry
I'm one of those who rather fights than loosing cargo. All or Nothing!
If a player pirates me, i fight him. If i'm going to loose, i hit shortly before dying the emergency drop of ALL cargo
Otherwise the pirate get's a hot butt. Last time this happened is a loooong time ago. Since than i meet only gankers and such people or no one at all

If someone pirates me, he should earn his reward. No skill no reward.

 

[Globusdiablo]

simple. there are some players in this game who are vindictive enough to not care about anyone else who plays. So long as they are amused by someone elses misery.
They'll also be defended by a predictible crowd, too.

I love how this one swings both ways. Thanks.

 

[Querty Out]

Thanks for your replies. There seem to be two main lines of thought.

1. Traders missed the messages
That may well be the case. The first message I've sent right after interdiction was in local chat. That's a bit faster than a direct message but it's easier to miss. A suggestion for FDev would be to emphasise local messages from commanders, maybe a bit less than direct messages but more than the NPC background chatter.

2. Traders don't want to compromise, no cargo for pirates
In the specific incidents there was no fighting back, just a continuous attempt to escape. I'd hope for some PVP from 'no compromise' traders but can understand that not everyone enjoys that. I guess that kind of situation can only see improvement once some severe punishment in high security systems is in place with traders having options to avoid high risk areas in Open altogether (assuming that CGs are partially in high sec systems).

 

[Querty Out]

In regards to using hatch breakers or shooting out drives: I admit I wasn't a very sophisticated pirate. Instead of a scalpel I brought a sledge hammer, a FAS with plasmas and frags. The only thing 'piraty' onboard was a cargo scanner and a cargo rack, so if traders waited for me to shoot out their drives... they were out of luck.

 

[Querty Out]

Only the commanders in question could possibly answer your question.

For the specific incidents, yes. Learning the thoughts of commanders who would react the same way under the given circumstances is insightful nonetheless.

 

[Jmanis]

So I was pirating at the Parun CG last night and had 6, or so, customers. My demands were: drop 4t (four!) of cargo. I've stated demands before opening fire (and waited for a response) and then repeatedly while firing at the target. I let players go if they dropped cargo even if they tried to run first (other pirates may not).

But: Some players chose to be destroyed rather than dropping 4t. They are in Open with the chance of piracy and when someone comes along with very reasonable demands they seem to prefer losing their ship over it??

Help me understand.... Why?

For me? Blowing up and losing my cargo and my ship is preferable to relinquishing anything.

 

[Ripbudd]

Well screw elite in Star Citizen, if your target combat logs, you get free dinner served you on silver plate. So yeah, screw ED. Oh yeah and you can even steal their ship if you "wire start" it. Combat logging in SC = your ship is no longer your ship. Or if you're flying in crap not worth stealing than we just board it and pick up cargo boxes ourselves and leave you.