ninja'd by a much less verbose cmdr. 
Python/Class 6 thruster issue? (Devs please have a look)
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The problem is this - nerfing something I own in game is effectively stealing my fun. I really enjoy flying this ship and I mostly do bounty hunting now - my 2500 bounty kills earned only 20M cr - I need 56M more for the class 7A power plant and 16M for the best shields and a few more M for better weapons. So this will take around 9,000 more kills - which won't be happening fast and will be much less fun if the ship gets nerfed as the Python is the best fighting ship at present - an expensive ship should perform well compared to a cheap one - I don't use many shield cells and I don't think its jump range is good at all - its basically a large Viper for me - slower but with more punch. Shield Cells effect everyone and are a better nerf target - a specific ship nerf means I bought a false prospectus and that is unfair and I am not a happy bunny.
Where are the special attributes DB talked about - no better weapons/engine/shield/armour offerings for rank or status so far - just nerfs OFFERED to me.
PS - A stupid npc cobra rammed me and killed my Python a couple of days ago - still not got the credits back bounty hunting.
Where are the special attributes DB talked about - no better weapons/engine/shield/armour offerings for rank or status so far - just nerfs OFFERED to me.
PS - A stupid npc cobra rammed me and killed my Python a couple of days ago - still not got the credits back bounty hunting.
Maybe I misunderstood the arguments but are we saying that folks who have no time/cant be bothered to earn the credits for anything more expensive than a Viper want all the other ships neutered so the Viper can remain the top-dog?
I played for an awfully long time to get the Python (currently worth 88Mill) and personally I resent any attempts to devalue my investment in time and/or credits just so "lazy" (;-)) folks can feel better about the ship they decided to settle for.
I played for an awfully long time to get the Python (currently worth 88Mill) and personally I resent any attempts to devalue my investment in time and/or credits just so "lazy" (;-)) folks can feel better about the ship they decided to settle for.
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It would seem so...
I could not agree more!!
Yes, he is wrong, after nerf Python would have 260 shield vs 305 = Advantage to Clipper.
By my maths after the nef the Python will still have 33% more shield than the Clipper. Clipper is not that bad to start with.
With the hard point layout of the clipper that is kind of irrelevant. *g*
This is incorrect, to the best of my knowledge.
After the 33% reduction, the Python has the second strongest shields in the game - two-thirds the strength of the 'conda and a third stronger than the Clipper (which comes third, in terms of combat capable ships).
That is indeed what some people seem to think, but it's completely irrelevant because none of us has mind control powers over the devs.
The Python isn't being adjusted because of anything any player has said. It's being adjusted because the devs are working on the new ships and have realised that the Python is currently just too strong.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=303,mpU5QG5QG,2-AAAA8c8cAA8c6k,7VsmpT05UmpV02M <<< 7A Clipper, 197.99 MJ
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=305,mpV5QG5QG,2-BkAA8c72BkAA8I,7UI08cmpT072mpU2UcmpT02M <<< 6A Python now, 388.61 MJ > even if we subtract 30% it still way above the Clipper. so you seem to be right. Except if the shield values in shipyard are outdated again, but I don´t think so.
I don't know the actual damage stats for weapons, but I think it will depend on the size of the target.
Against small ships the Asp will almost certainly have more firepower, because both its medium and small weapons will do full damage.
Against medium targets I suspect it'll be closer, as the Asp's four small weapons will be doing reduced damage, but the Asp probably wins.
Against large targets, I'm pretty sure the Vulture will have the firepower advantage, because the Asp's two mediums will be doing reduced damage and it's four smalls will be doing greatly reduced damage.
And of course, this only 'raw' damage. If the Vulture is faster or more agile than the Asp (or even both), it'll be able to spend more time with a target in its sights.
I'm afraid those numbers don't look right to me.
Here are the ones based on the formal and stats Mike gave us in another thread:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_Generator?file=ED_Shields.png
To get the post-nerf values for the Python, multiply them by 2/3.
For example, with a 6A the Python will have a shield strength of 403.5, while the Clipper with a 7A is 306.
Edit: Of course, we may have messed up somewhere, but more than one of us came up with the same numbers.
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Very good at Pve, but yeah useless against chaff even after deselecting target.
Just wanted to point out that the Python is actually a medium ship. It can dock at outposts.
It would be unfortunate for it to be balanced as a large ship if this point were overlooked.
Mike has explained that the Python is a large ship that can land on medium pads. In all other respects, the game mechanics treat it as a large ship.
Erm, okay... Not sure what that means?
This can't be serious? Ok, reduce it a bit, but not in this way. The Problem ist not the Python but Anaconda-CMDR who have no skills, cause they were farming like crazy the last weeks and don't have any fighting skills or know about efficient weapon-use.
I only met one Anaconda-CMDR, who handled his ship damn good. The rest.... worse than NCPs.
Did you miss the point where the Python currently has better shield rating than the Anaconda?
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