Python/Class 6 thruster issue? (Devs please have a look)

[Ian Skippy]

So those of us who spent hours trading to get a Python and tricking it out to a high standard, bought a ship that was rushed and improperly powered/shielded and manoeuvrable because the developers working on the Python didn't know what they were doing. That is the only answer that fits your re-quoting of others claims that the ship was not intended for it's present role. Personally I would think the ship developers need to be re-educated then or the whiners claiming it should be nerfed are both to blame.

You can leave the insults out, if you don't mind. Complex systems will always require tweaking as everything is connected and changes to X will influence the functionality of Y. Tweaking has been done a lot, and it will continue to be done. When you release a game like this and 300000 people start playing, it is inevitable that some people will find uses for something beyond its intended design. And with the internet if one person knows it, pretty soon everyone knows it. So things are being adjusted. You may not like that but I don't see why you should offend the devs and players who do not agree with you.

I guess you think they should just suck it up as they are so rich.

Where does this weirdness come from? It turns out a ship is not fulfulling its intended role, and now it is changed. That is all. No need to be so vile about it. The Python is not a battle ship. If you want that, sell it and wait for them to be added.

 

[IceyJones]

The Python is not a battle ship. It is a trade ship. Its role is to be able to do bulk trading in relatively dangerous regions without fighter escort. It is not supposed to dominated conflict zones. So that is why it is being 'nerfed': it has specs that upset the roster of ships they have planned. FD realises they dropped the ball here and they are fixing it. A dedicated fighter should be able to take on a Python. It will be harder than a T9, but it is possible. There currently is no dedicated battleship in the game, so keep on earning money and just wait for them to be added.

so where do you get your facts from?!?!?
the python is as multirole as a cobra! its NOT A TRADER!

so with your logic they must nerf the cobra also! reduce its speed by 17%. and shields by 33%
not one will buy it anymore!

next multi-role ship: anaconda!
nerf speed by 17%, shields by 33%

not one will buy it anymore
shall we proceed?!


if the python should be a trade ship, they should not name it Multi-Role!
really.....this was one of the dumbest comments i ever read here

neither it looks like a trader, nor it is designed as one...
the opposite is the case. imho they should nerf cargo! not the fighting abilities......

 

[Kyokushin]

You tried to count money in others people pockets may be you need some behaviour lesson too.

I do not count money in people pockets, it dont care me, but i said brutal true into the eyes.

It is only matter of time and litter work to get Clipper or Python. So we can talk about who can buy it or not, because anybody can buy it, but somoeone now, and somoeone else "tomorrow" if they want.
It is easy but require some hours in playing of game.

Maybe every one month player shoud get Titan in eve for free on start?...... Everybody should be euqual!

.... and everybody are. Everybody get same ways to earn credits, starter ship and can develop own skill.

@Icey
Totally agree!

 

[TANDKO]

I have observed the contrary.

Me too. And I have tested them extensively with stop watch. I am a bit hesitant though whether recharge rate depends on full sheild capacity or not I mean for eg Clipper A7 comparing to Python A6 with the highest PD.

 

[Aleksej]

Yes. In clipper i Have 438 on boost. On python 383.

In Clipper you can pursuit anybody and leave battle are when is too hot. You decide when you are in or out.
In python you can try to jump out only. Sometimes it is not possible to do it fast (mass lock)



Not. But upgraded to ability "read with understanding" is bless. You can still work on it.

I have my opinion, i can write it so i do it.
If devel will consider it - it will be glad, if not - its their decision. Nobody must agree with me, hovewer a lot of people here agree. I can say what i want and you must live with that.

Stop offending, behave better, or get lost.

So here is the solution to you. If you want to pursuit anybody and leave battle are when is too hot - use a Clipper. If it suits your gameplay style better than Python then why don't you use it? So actually what you propose is to make Python specs closer to those of the Clipper, which would be stupid. Why would a Clipper be necessary then?

 

[Starbuckz]

Take it easy hotshot, I can see a vein pop.

People trying to change things they can't affect in any way make me feel a little uncomfortable.
It's a way of life accepting that truth, makes a lot much easier Hippocratic much, as I can't change them to the better, can I?^^

Either way, I am perfectly at ease, but repeating the same stuff over and over and over again... come on

 

[SE-Apocalypse]

so where do you get your facts from?!?!?
the python is as multirole as a cobra! its NOT A TRADER!

so with your logic they must nerf the cobra also! reduce its speed by 17%. and shields by 33%
not one will buy it anymore!

next multi-role ship: anaconda!
nerf speed by 17%, shields by 33%

not one will buy it anymore
shall we proceed?!


if the python should be a trade ship, they should not name it Multi-Role!
really.....this was one of the dumbest comments i ever read here

neither it looks like a trader, nor it is designed as one...
the opposite is the case. imho they should nerf cargo! not the fighting abilities......

I am not opposing the idea to nerf the speed of the cobra slightly. Shields should be good as they are.

 

[OldSalt]

I don't have a Python and never had anything bigger that a Cobra but it seems to me that these big expensive ships should be good and reducing their effectiveness sort of defeats the objective of working up to them ? Being able to go toe to toe in a 40 K ship against something that costs millions is a perfect example of something that is unbalanced to me ?

 

[Kyokushin]

So here is the solution to you. If you want to pursuit anybody and leave battle are when is too hot - use a Clipper. If it suits your gameplay style better than Python then why don't you use it? So actually what you propose is to make Python specs closer to those of the Clipper, which would be stupid. Why would a Clipper be necessary then?

We talking about nerfing shields man, not about speed at all. Python play bases on shield, not speed....
I would not to leave battlefield like i can in clipper, but to defend on battlefield as i can now, before nerfing.

 

[Ozrix]

People trying to change things they can't affect in any way make me feel a little uncomfortable.
It's a way of life accepting that truth, makes a lot much easier Hippocratic much, as I can't change them to the better, can I?^^

Either way, I am perfectly at ease, but repeating the same stuff over and over and over again... come on

Change is possible if you present enough arguments for your case.

 

[Starbuckz]

We talking about nerfing shields man, not about speed at all. Python play bases on shield, not speed....
I would not to leave battlefield like i can in clipper, but to defend on battlefield as i can now, before nerfing.

Okay now you just lost any chance of being taken seriously. It still has the second strongest shields in the entire game, which is perfectly reasonable as it comes just before the Anaconda. What more do you want, really? The speed and maneuverability adjustments might be the only ones I could argue being a little over the top, but the shields? They were totally unreasonable strong.

It's the Python behaving like a nimble small fighter what made it so special for those who know how to pilot it, the shields were a mere bonus.

 

[Vidicus]

This kills the game for me really. I worked hard to earn a Python, only to have the reward reduced. Frontier has made the mistake of many other developers.... changing their game due to whiners on forums. Do they not realize for every one whiner on the forums there are 100 players in the game having fun and perfectly happy with the game. Instead of making the Python weaker, they should have beefed the Anaconda. The money invested in those ships is massive on a epic level, and the reward should be as well. Too bad, on to the next game.

 

[Aleksej]

We talking about nerfing shields man, not about speed at all. Python play bases on shield, not speed....
I would not to leave battlefield like i can in clipper, but to defend on battlefield as i can now, before nerfing.

Your post that I have replied to had nothing to do with the discussion of shields. It was about ship speeds.

As for the shields - their reduction is NOT an issue either. Python is still going to have the second best shields and this is definitely NOT game breaking.

This kills the game for me really. I worked hard to earn a Python, only to have the reward reduced. Frontier has made the mistake of many other developers.... changing their game due to whiners on forums. Do they not realize for every one whiner on the forums there are 100 players in the game having fun and perfectly happy with the game. Instead of making the Python weaker, they should have beefed the Anaconda. The money invested in those ships is massive on a epic level, and the reward should be as well. Too bad, on to the next game.

What mistake? This is called balancing so that each ship would have it's own place in the game. ED is the game meant to be played for years not days! I have maxed out the Python in less than 1.5 weeks. So what happens if everyone flies the same ship?

 

[Derath]

Change is possible if you present enough arguments for your case.

This, Is pretty much why people continue to post. I think they are going too far here as mentioned earlier these problems compound together the slower you are the stronger shields you need, yet they are both getting reduced. Its gonna go one of two ways - We'll get a new combat ship and nobody will care (about the python not the new ship) , If a new combat ship takes too long they will have to buff it again when it becomes apparent that the viper is the best combat ship.

that or anyone who wanted combat + ship progression will quit while they are waiting for something past said viper as the only actual upgrade has been removed.

 

[Starbuckz]

This kills the game for me really. I worked hard to earn a Python, only to have the reward reduced. Frontier has made the mistake of many other developers.... changing their game due to whiners on forums. Do they not realize for every one whiner on the forums there are 100 players in the game having fun and perfectly happy with the game. Instead of making the Python weaker, they should have beefed the Anaconda. The money invested in those ships is massive on a epic level, and the reward should be as well. Too bad, on to the next game.

Do YOU realize you are just one of them? Again, the Python did not get adjusted because people did complain about it being to strong too much.
It did not fulfill its intended role. The Python was NEVER meant to be a fighter. It always has been supposed to be a trading vessel capable of handling well in combat. That's all, it is intended to be a trader with strengths for combat situations, not the other way around.

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This, Is pretty much why people continue to post. I think they are going too far here as mentioned earlier these problems compound together the slower you are the stronger shields you need, yet they are both getting reduced. Its gonna go one of two ways - We'll get a new combat ship and nobody will care (about the python not the new ship) , If a new combat ship takes too long they will have to buff it again when it becomes apparent that the viper is the best combat ship.

that or anyone who wanted combat + ship progression will quit while they are waiting for something past said viper as the only actual upgrade has been removed.

So what? What's wrong with the Viper being the best fighter at the moment? It is doing what it is supposed to do. It is the only ship that is actually intended to be a fighter. The only one (after an eagle..). If people have to wait then let them wait, why bother? I guarantee in a few weeks people wouldn't even remember the Python's current state.

 

[Ozrix]

This, Is pretty much why people continue to post. I think they are going too far here as mentioned earlier these problems compound together the slower you are the stronger shields you need, yet they are both getting reduced. Its gonna go one of two ways - We'll get a new combat ship and nobody will care (about the python not the new ship) , If a new combat ship takes too long they will have to buff it again when it becomes apparent that the viper is the best combat ship.

that or anyone who wanted combat + ship progression will quit while they are waiting for something past said viper as the only actual upgrade has been removed.

You're pretty much echoing how I feel about this. The speed reduction on top of everything else feels like a kick in the balls. In the worst case scenario, if the Python will be rendered near useless, I'd consider quitting the game for the time being, as there isn't really any other ship ATM that I enjoy flying as much.

 

[Dogmeat]

Actually the Python IS a trader. It was a trader in all previous versions of Elite, and as E: D's ships have followed their Lore roles quite closely it is quite correct from the Lore perspective that the Python should be re-statted to fit in.

I find it disappointing that people would so vehemently defend a ship design that gives it greater speed then everything except the Clipper, Cobra, and Viper(which wins only by a hair), manouverability like a Cobra, armament like an Anaconda with better hardpoint placement and better shields then the aforementioned Anaconda for only 40% of the purchase price and a similar fraction of the outfitting costs. Pre-nerf it's shields were ridiculous; post nerf you can still see they are far superior to the Asp's with a class 6 gen and a Clipper with they class 7, and this in a larger ship!

It's so obviously a problem that it gives me a headache trying to consider the opposing view. Cost is never a balancing issue; everyone will eventually have all the money they need and if you want a huge combat craft you SHOULD have to pay through the nose to buy and maintain it. That's why Navies are so costly and why priviate individuals, however rich, don't have personal frigates.

FD have so done the right thing here, congratulations to them.

 

[TANDKO]

I do not count money in people pockets, it dont care me, but i said brutal true into the eyes.

It is only matter of time and litter work to get Clipper or Python. So we can talk about who can buy it or not, because anybody can buy it, but somoeone now, and somoeone else "tomorrow" if they want.
It is easy but require some hours in playing of game.

You answered to me that I should buy my own Python but it is too expensive implying that I can't. I call it counting others people credits. Which is bad behaviour at least as I see it.

 

[Nicus]

I've traded a lot since release and its getting REALLY boring after some time (jump from L7 to another trading ship takes much more time) the next target was python now i don't have "next" target ship...
Python will now be destroyable by sidewinders
Anaconda is also too vulnerable to small ships
Orca and Federeal Dropship is useless
L9 is obsolette i dont need so much money

So ill buy Imperial Clipper or ASP fit it and ill be able to get credits for this in L7 cause there's no need to upgrade to larger ships...
If I were to spend time (loads of it) earning money for modules and rebuy costs i want to get something that isn't destroyable by small ship
Tr y hitting a Car with a bike (Python/Anaconda = Car, Viper, Cobra = bike in terms of size and costs) THESE ships should be nearly undestroyable for 1 fighter ship...
There were many changes since betas(which i bought) but it's first time i'm regreting money I paid for this game...
And again i don't have python nor the money needed to buy and outfit it best i can get with my money is fully equipped ASP or Cobra, I trade a lot and for 2 days of playing trader i'm playing 1-2 days doing missions from BB or little bit PVP in Cobra or Viper and i don't have probs attacking players in pythons most of them even doesn't know how to fight and are like sitting ducks when they come to warzones...

So mr Mike maybe you should sit and REBALANCE ALL once again ? so the ships costing loads of money will be worth it ? It clearly looks like you don't have much experience in this cause all ballance is done like " it should be 1.5 stronger than this etc"
example ? burst lasers its better having pulse or beam cause bursts are poor try to get middle between pulse and beams
next example TWO Class 1 beams do more damage than ONE Class 2 Beam (difference in damage done to the same ship betwen Class 1 and Class 2 weapon is around 1.5, costs ? 6 times more)
WHOLE GAME IS VERY POORLY BALANCED and there shouldnt be random nerfs/changes like this! thats what i mean to say if someone don't want to read/understand what i wrote above

 

[Starbuckz]

Actually the Python IS a trader. It was a trader in all previous versions of Elite, and as E: D's ships have followed their Lore roles quite closely it is quite correct from the Lore perspective that the Python should be re-statted to fit in.

I find it disappointing that people would so vehemently defend a ship design that gives it greater speed then everything except the Clipper, Cobra, and Viper(which wins only by a hair), manouverability like a Cobra, armament like an Anaconda with better hardpoint placement and better shields then the aforementioned Anaconda for only 40% of the purchase price and a similar fraction of the outfitting costs. Pre-nerf it's shields were ridiculous; post nerf you can still see they are far superior to the Asp's with a Type6 gen and a Clipper with they type 7, and this in a larger ship!

It's so obviously a problem that it gives me a headache trying to consider the opposing view. Cost is never a balancing issue; everyone will eventually have all the money they need and if you want a huge combat craft you SHOULD have to pay through the nose to buy and maintain it. That's why Navies are so costly and why priviate individuals, however rich, don't have personal frigates.

FD have so done the right thing here, congratulations to them.

Finally a man of reason... The Python will fit exactly where it is supposed to be, I like that and I will then consider actually buying one as I refused before because it was simply too strong. What fun is there in having already maxed out everything.