No one is saying you have to, but it's a cut throat galaxy out there. Keep your wits, make smart choices, and you'll be fine.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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No one is saying you have to, but it's a cut throat galaxy out there. Keep your wits, make smart choices, and you'll be fine.
I suffer nothing, I hardly play the game much now and never played open as I never wanted the co-op PvE or PvP experience. But I know there are people who want co-op PvE expereince without quite so much meaningless (for them) PvP. It's clear that when it makes sense it's tolerated, it's just not tolerated when it doesn't make sense.
There's no "filth" from me, that's harsh. But seeing as you like the sporting analogy so much, there such a thing as being "sporting" and there's a large amount of PvP that isn't "sporting". Often that is not in any explicit rules of the sport, but it's a basic "fair play" concept. Sadly it clear you cannot understand that....it's a shame.
You can mitigate some of the nastier reactions by playing a bit more "sporting", but you willingly choose to not do that hence my "reap what you sow" comments a lot. You have no leg to stand on in that regard. No-one can say your way of playing is wrong, equally you can't say the other side is wrong. The extremes on both sides (like reality) are problematic.
Strange when can you explore or trade in Call of Duty?...you can't. The two types of game are completely different, but for PVPers it's the same...combat, kill, fight.
For a LOT of players Elite is NOT about that.
I can be as sporting as you like but it's all for naught when so much of the community are as hard as a bag of marshmallows. Like I've said before, y'all are stepping into a boxing ring and screaming your heads off when hands are being thrown.
You don't understand the rules of the game world, period. Unsavory tactics and approaches are a feature of Elite's gameplay.
Equating all sides like this in any discussion always strikes me as cowardice from peope too afraid to draw conclusions for fear of being disliked.
I know what I know and have seen what I've seen. This many years into the game I've made my bed and I'm happily sleeping in it.
Honestly, I had an idea for this of a situational flag that would protect you to a limited extent provided certain conditions are met ie. your hardpoints must be stowed, not in a hazardous area like a CNB/CZ/Hazres/Anarchy, not wanted or powerplay enemies, etc. By "limited extent", it'd be similar to the buddha code in HL2 - you still take full damage from all weapons and your modules get trashed, but you can't lose your last 1% of hull or trigger a powerplant blowout. The goal being that it'd allow piracy to be a threat with teeth, and allow all the "very definitely unambiguously part of the game" combat to go ahead unhindered, while seals wouldn't have to worry about being clubbed if they're not doing those things. Sure it wouldn't cover every case, we'd see people doing stuff like shooting out people's engines as they take off from engineers and laughing as they hit the ground and splat, but the vast majority of issues would be solved for PvE players.
If the devs really wanted to be clever, they could allow the victim of such an attack to menu-log (just to prevent people from camping on top of someone and shooting their drives every time they reboot) and make it appear on the attacker's screen as an explosion if the logout was done after the point of "death".
I wouldn't be surprised if certain people think that about me as well, hah
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Paul is correct. The only time I've seen bounties in the billions is from people relentlessly killing authority ships to try and trash a faction's influence. The last time I saw them get really high was back when states were per-faction instead of per-system and as long as a faction was at war somewhere you could tank their influence down to 1% without them getting locked in a conflict. I remember one time where a group I was flying with countered a murder-attack that way, by getting into an election in another system so combat actions didn't count for influence.
Last time I checked, I had 3 ships with 2 billion in blood on each. 2 Clippers and one Corvette.
Its why its a good idea to make simple, disposable ships when it comes time to kill....
Do you have any idea how much more quickly I can rack up NPC kills than player kills?
A big hint is how easy it is to find NPCs in the first place.
I still don't think that holds water. BGSers get around. What sort've proof do you have?
Anyway, the thing about gankers is that it's kinda like the whole "most dangerous game" thing, but then you run into the sort of outfitting that people have and it's more like the onion article on the topic:
www.theonion.com
edit: inb4 someone creates CMDR Hugo Von Urwitz as their ganker alt-account
Maverick Hunter's 'Human Beings As Prey' Plan Not As Challenging As Expected
PERIL ISLAND—Big-game hunter Baron Hugo von Urwitz conceded Tuesday that his theory that human beings are the most cunning and challenging of quarry is seriously flawed.
www.theonion.com
edit: inb4 someone creates CMDR Hugo Von Urwitz as their ganker alt-account
Anyway, the thing about gankers is that it's kinda like the whole "most dangerous game" thing, but then you run into the sort of outfitting that people have and it's more like the onion article on the topic:
Maverick Hunter's 'Human Beings As Prey' Plan Not As Challenging As Expected
PERIL ISLAND—Big-game hunter Baron Hugo von Urwitz conceded Tuesday that his theory that human beings are the most cunning and challenging of quarry is seriously flawed.
edit: inb4 someone creates CMDR Hugo Von Urwitz as their ganker alt-account
I am CMDR Hugo Von Urwitz.
The players I see on bounty boards, the ones I actually know are generally PvPers, but their bounty was gained largely from killing NPCs, as Screemonster says it's just negative BGS work.
I was having a conversation with a player who (coincidentally) was top of the bounty board in the station I happened to be docked at & I made comment that they were 'famous now' because of their 140mCr bounty. They told me to check again - it was 140 Billion Credits, if they ever got KWSed & killed they'd be back in a sidewinder
It takes a certain attitude towards the game to achieve that kind of bounty, and I think there is a lot of overlap with PvPers there. Maybe ganking too, couldn't really comment on that. I've had higher bounties than most Ganker types I know, although I'll usually let a bounty hunter KWS & kill me so I don't stay on the bounty boards for long.
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Typically you turn crimes off when PVPing, so there are no bounties if one or more players gets destroyed, and nobody gets "sent to Brazil" aka the detention facility. Meaning you can reset for the next match quicker.
Getting a bounty up on a gank ship is not that easy, when you start off, your first bounties will be ridiculously, insultingly small considering you killed an actual player. Like 5,600 credits. Compared to well over 150,000 for most NPCs you kill.
It does scale up as your notoriety increases, but suffice to say, getting an individual bounty up into double or triple digit millions takes no small amount of effort, if you're doing it against players alone. I'd expect it would go up a lot faster killing NPCs, and the BGS folks confirm that.
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PvPers would also have to be roaming all over the place to get a bunch of two million or over bounties like that. No so common these days with no CGs.
BGS players, on the other hand? They put the hobo in murderhobo.
Nowhere, in anything that I've written, have I suggested that gankers are "the only ones" playing the game as intended. I'm not sure where that impression was created for you, but that's not a position I've held or argued for.
The reference to Braben's quote from the livestream, the marketing materials on the Elite website about "rogue commanders" and "cutthroat galaxy," and the rest, are really there just to remind people that, in fact, this is a feature that the developers clearly intend to provide in their product. In just the same way that Solo and PG exist to provide options, or mining and exploration are options. They are all features that players can choose to engage with. In Open, however, you do not have the option of simply "turning off" PVP / ganking. That's not a feature that the devs have seen fit to provide, at least not in Open. I suspect they would point you to Solo and PG for that experience.
Here's that clip from the livestream again. Braben is talking about a wide variety of activities that encompass the richness of the Elite experience. You'll note that "things are going wrong for you, you're making things go wrong for other people" are just some of the examples he gives of the "tradition of Elite."
This statement paraphrases precisely what I wrote when I presented my views of the ways in which each of the three modes fails players:
Open fails PVPers because: the PVPers have been forced to play alongside the PVEers and made to feel like actual monsters when they play the game literally as intended, per its creator's own words.
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Most ships can avoid a gank even with low level engineering. I was ganked for example at beagle point and did everything wrong but still got away as I had about 1000hp shields and some hull reinforcements (which is also useful for high gravity worlds). You can easily outfit a ship for combt and exploration with 40+ ly jump range.
EDIT: If you get in touch with SirGanksalot he will even train you in the art of gank avoidance
Surviving in open is relatively simple. Sir Ganksalot has an excellent discord where some of the most notorious gankers in the galaxy will take the time to teach you all the skills to survive. Give us an hour or two and you'll never need to fear open again. https://discord.gg/aFSzbXe
It's very true - I survived Sir Ganksalot in an A-rated Cobra Mk III! That should be a t-shirt.
Unfortunately, the Cobra Mk III pilot below did not pass their randomly-selected gank evasion test last night. This was not as part of the Sir Ganksalot effort, it was just a random CMDR that I pulled on my way from one place to another.
I have blocked out the CMDR's name to avoid any naming and shaming. There is zero shame in being ganked, for that matter. It's a part of the game - in Open - and it happens to everyone from time to time. I myself was ganked multiple times in the course of my play session last night!
In any event, I am presenting the screenshot as evidence that I am living up to my commitment, made in this very thread, to not be a silent killer, but instead engage in communication with the people I pull. Because one of the things that I've learned from this thread is that many players feel this would be a better, more engaging way of doing my play style. So why not!
I also sent a friend request afterwards, which was accepted only long enough for this CMDR to send me a rather salty and profanity laden message.
If the CMDR hadn't immediately unfriended me, I would have been happy to give them feedback on their test. They actually did make some efforts at evasion, unlike many CMDRs who straight line boost to their doom.
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and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt