THIS. THIS THIS THIS. Lets say I go to Quince, make ten billion, fully G5 engineer an FDL, then go and interdict Harry Potter. Guess what's gonna happen? HP is gonna blow me away with two arms tied behind his back. I like Quince and its sort because it makes SKILL, not money, the determining factor in a PVP engagement.
THIS. THIS THIS THIS. Lets say I go to Quince, make ten billion, fully G5 engineer an FDL, then go and interdict Harry Potter. Guess what's gonna happen? HP is gonna blow me away with two arms tied behind his back. I like Quince and its sort because it makes SKILL, not money, the determining factor in a PVP engagement.
The skill argument is ultimately irrelevant, because most of the interaction between most CMDR happens abstractly via the BGS and it takes zero skill to unintentionally manipulate the BGS.
In a direct PvP confrontation, money doesn't matter too much, but it still influences how people behave. I cannot afford to loose ships at the same pace as someone who has cheesed their way to wealth, or who is willing to exploit to recoup losses, because I would quickly bankrupt my CMDR in the process. So, I have to retreat when others might be willing to throw away their ships. Likewise, all of my victories are transient and intangible because I cannot inflict attrition on most of my enemies. No matter how many times I beat them, I can never harm them. Violence without the ability to do material harm to one's enemies isn't very useful. The idea that zero penalty for ship destruction is somehow good for PvP is absurd.
You can't even cheat via exploit without it being a "legal transaction". That's what a bug exploit is...the abuse of an in-game 'feature' that's functioning in an unintended and negative manner.
If it wasn't a "legal transaction", it would require a hack, which is not the sort of cheat being discussed.
Except that what you're laughing at is the ability to materially harm the experiences of many via the unintended abuse of various mechanisms while pretending it doesn't matter because you personally aren't paying attention.
In a direct PvP confrontation, money doesn't matter too much, but it still influences how people behave. I cannot afford to loose ships at the same pace as someone who has cheesed their way to wealth, or who is willing to exploit to recoup losses, because I would quickly bankrupt my CMDR in the process. So, I have to retreat when others might be willing to throw away their ships. Likewise, all of my victories are transient and intangible because I cannot inflict attrition on most of my enemies. No matter how many times I beat them, I can never harm them. Violence without the ability to do material harm to one's enemies isn't very useful. The idea that zero penalty for ship destruction is somehow good for PvP is absurd.
You can't even cheat via exploit without it being a "legal transaction". That's what a bug exploit is...the abuse of an in-game 'feature' that's functioning in an unintended and negative manner.
If it wasn't a "legal transaction", it would require a hack, which is not the sort of cheat being discussed.
Except that what you're laughing at is the ability to materially harm the experiences of many via the unintended abuse of various mechanisms while pretending it doesn't matter because you personally aren't paying attention.
Well, not really, but you seem to be an expert on how I think and what I'm affected by, so I guess you're right. I'm a pretty bad person, what can I say?
I propose we put forth a motion to ban the exploit reporters. We call it: The motion to stop those who removes our fun act.
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Very well put Sir. Couldn't agree more. Rep for you.
Unless your CMDR completely avoids inhabited space, you are affecting and are affected by the BGS. This is indisputable and doesn't require any awareness at all on your part.
I've never accused anyone of being a 'bad' person, but you are a willfully ignorant one if you can't acknowledge that you have an effect on my game.
I'll be whatever you need me to be. I'll not try to dispute the indisputable.
Stop making a drama out of this !!!!
Yes they did, at least 2 posts in the following thread(I indexed first post of FD), by one of their programmers in the Missions team.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...is-not-fixed?p=5454075&viewfull=1#post5454075
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I have faith in Dominic, he seems to be pretty confident in his ability to improve the mission system. Unfortunately, I didn't see him sneak in Sandro's trademark before, so that's a little concerning.
But what about Quince itself? If there many Quinces, we will need a Super-Quince at Quince.
Multi-Quince, the Quince Uncertainty. Nobody really knows who is Quince this week.
I say let it be. People have fun with loads of money... People like to grind. Me? Personally? Quince is a good thing for me. I love the fact that I can get money and as the game always tells you. Blaze your own trail!
Not "Control other peoples trail by telling what is right and what is not"
Not "Control other peoples trail by telling what is right and what is not"
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Would be interesting to know Frontiers view on this.
Do they consider Exploiting as "Blazing your own trail" or do they consider it against the games rules and lore.
I honestly would not consider this an Exploit. But Exploit means a lot of things. EG: Exploiting a system for its resources etc. I think this is just the background simulation doing its thing.
A game exploit is easy to define.
If it was an intended game design, then its not an exploit.
We already know this wasn't an intended game design.
That just leaves do Frontier consider exploiting as "blaze your own trail".
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Well that depends. FD made the BGS system so they did not have to hand puppet a lot of ED. I assume they knew this kind of stuff would happen. It just depends on how the community as a whole views this. Me? im fine with it. ive got 4 weeks and 5 days play time. Ive seen everything elite has to offer.
Who cares - this game had so many exploits left gaping wide open for years, FD may just add an unlimited credit buton in the main menu.
At least that would add some indisputable clarity.
It has been patched. More than once. Still broken because they are half-fixes and the pile of bugs is mountainous and being out competed by new 'content' that will throw more bugs on the pile.
There are fairly serious bugs with virtually all aspects of the game that have gone minimally addressed for years.
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It doesn't depend actually.
They attempted to fix it once already. Also one of the mission team devs called this type of mission bug an exploit. (his opinion yes, but he is in a very good position do decide what is intended and what isnt)
The question isn't really is this an exploit now. We have basically been shown and told it is.
The question is do they consider this exploit worth removing and I would also like to know do they consider using these types of exploits as "blazing your own trail".