Ramming!!

power distribution and choice use of shield cells can make or break a ramming fight against a larger less maneuverable ship.

However, it would be a good balance to such tactics to utilize the already implemented blackout/red-out mechanic (it exists already in the game) to treat the sudden change in g force on the smaller ship. Making them think twice about implementing a full turbo ram tactic, since if they fail to destroy you, the'll be helplessly unconscious for a number of seconds.

Really like this idea, maybe with a bit of nose blood splattering the canopy.
 
Personally, I have found those that ram are just terrible pilots. They have found an exploit and have convinced themselves it is a legitimate tactic. I have found in my Vulture I can normally take shields down to at least a ring below mine quick enough, so even if they are stupid enough to try to ram, they will always come off second best. I am in a ship more nibble that nearly all others, so yes, please try to ram me in you Python or Anaconda, all you are doing is bring your PowerPlant closer to me for more effective fire.
 
Ok not done P.V.P for a very long time, so thought i would give it a go, whats with the ramming why does nobody want to pew pew, i have tried to have a few good dogfights in my F.D.L, but it seems as though no one wants to use lasers but just want to ram, whats that all about. Answers ?

I agree ramming is stupid game mechanic that needs to get fixed.

Main reason i dont do PVP. If i wanted to play smashup derby i would play something else.

As for people saying well ramming was done for many many years long time ago. Yes it was but pretty much only special designed ships with ram prows. YOu would not see a small boat ramming a cruiser. The little boat would fall to pieces. And not do much damage at all, if any, to the other ship.
 
Yes but they attacked battleships, and look where it got them.

Popular misconception. Some did, yes. But kamikazes pilots were formed before battle at Okinawa as last ditch effort to hold that final line of defense before routes to home islands.

Primary targets were the suport ships that made that (L)-day invasion possible, an armada of over 3000 ships between all Allied forces combined.

what it got them was the three word crede every nation's armed forces understands, codified so well by the West Point motto - 'Duty, Honor, Country'

The only difference between kamikazes and many MoH recipients is simply what we called them.
 
How do the current shields work anyway? I'd have though that letting 2 ships shields collide would cause a massive discharge of energy and kill both pilots?
 
I saw a vid on YT wher a Pyton CMDR got a Conda's shield's down a little then just boosted headlong into the Conda and wrecked it's shield then the Conda died not long after. I personally don't belive that should ever have worked.

If I had to bet, the python likely had 4 pips in sys, and the anaconda likely had 0. 4 pips in sys effectively makes your shield 2.5x stronger.
 
I have never reached a moment like that against a player but I now for a fact that if I did I would just ram him because if I am going down , he is too or at least with half my hull in theres
 
So if ramming is a real situation ("legit" or not really is subjective IMHO) what are the best defenses against it? Obviously not to get hit, but what steps can you take to reduce the risk.

What visual warning signs might you notice before a ram is started? The flare of boosters?

What's the better way to dodge? Maneuvering thrusters or tilt and pull (the latter makes you lose visual so can be risky)

How do you work to keep a decent range between you and your target if ramming is a worry?

Visual warning signs include...

The CMDR is in a heavy combat ship...i.e. Python, Clipper, FDL

The CMDR is coming at you in a straight line
 

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Glad the good old spitfire pilots in ww2 didnt use that tactic, tally ho and all that.

Some did. I'm pretty sure that at least one member of the RAF Polish Squadron (302 or 303) rammed German aircraft. In some cases they were so angry with events, that when they ran out of ammo, they rammed - and chose death.

Edit: mildly off-topic, potentially political - sorry mods: but the British should remember these guys when there are concerns about immigration..
 
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Maybe, ramming should not be valid.
You can't ram with shields.
If you do, you just bounce off.

You can ram without shields. Ask anyone running the stealth builds...

Ramming is legit. Get over it. If it bothers you so much learn to avoid being rammed.

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Maybe, ramming should not be valid.
You can't ram with shields.
If you do, you just bounce off.

You can ram without shields. Ask anyone running the stealth builds...

Ramming is legit. Get over it. If it bothers you so much learn to avoid being rammed.
 
Why ram?

a) You're losing so you may as well try and take them out with a ram.
b) Avoid the frustration of having to best your opponent half a dozen times because of shield potion (SCB) spam.

I'm amazed shield potions are still in the game; perhaps the single worst thing FD did with E:D.
 
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Space Fan

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You can ram without shields. Ask anyone running the stealth builds...

Ramming is legit. Get over it. If it bothers you so much learn to avoid being rammed.

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You can ram without shields. Ask anyone running the stealth builds...

Ramming is legit. Get over it. If it bothers you so much learn to avoid being rammed.

If it despatches the enemy (and no one else, within reason) - it is a legitimate military tactic. Agreed.

I have never fitted a shield booster. Like PowerPants - it looked like pants, so never bothered.

If ramming works - do it.
 
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Many people have resorted to the cheap tactic of ramming because of shield-cell-banks being able to be stacked. The philosophy is why spend 10+ minutes trying to shield strip somebody while they constantly pop off SCB's if you can instead hit them for a ring, then ram them and instantly get their shields to collapse. With the 5 second delay before SCB's kick in it's a highly effective strategy sadly.

Yeah I think this hits the nub of the issue. Low skill being the other.
 
Oh I don't build around ramming, I just do it when I get in the mood. XD


Yep...my ship is fitted for COMBAT...if a ramming opportunity presents itself to me I use it. Especially effective to get that last ring down before the SCB can restore the opponents shield. And the SCB's are fine in my opinion as well. They do not make PvP broken or not fun. I have been doing pure PvP for the last month and have seen plenty of ships die (including mine) despite having a healthy supply of SCB's. What I like about them is they make the fights last longer than a couple minutes.
 

Space Fan

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Yeah I think this hits the nub of the issue. Low skill being the other.

But militarily, being of low skill does not preclude you from success! You might be the lowest skilled soldier on the battlefield - but if you find a way to despatch the enemy - that's what you do!

Warfare is not Olympic sword fencing - there *are* rules (G convention etc) - but ultimately, if it kills the enemy, it is working!!
 
Personally, I have found those that ram are just terrible pilots. They have found an exploit and have convinced themselves it is a legitimate tactic. I have found in my Vulture I can normally take shields down to at least a ring below mine quick enough, so even if they are stupid enough to try to ram, they will always come off second best. I am in a ship more nibble that nearly all others, so yes, please try to ram me in you Python or Anaconda, all you are doing is bring your PowerPlant closer to me for more effective fire.

I will take on your Vulture any day

[video=youtube;HA-NOshzzRw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA-NOshzzRw[/video]


Notice I did not ram or even attempt to ram the vulture and the only ramming that was done was after his buddy jumped in...whom initiated the majority of the ramming. Ramming is just another tool in the toolbox
 
But militarily, being of low skill does not preclude you from success! You might be the lowest skilled soldier on the battlefield - but if you find a way to despatch the enemy - that's what you do!

Warfare is not Olympic sword fencing - there *are* rules (G convention etc) - but ultimately, if it kills the enemy, it is working!!

Whilst it is true a low skilled soldier can and has quite often taken out the enemy, they usually do it whilst losing their own life (and often those around them). On the other hand, a highly skilled soldier will take out multiple targets and live to fight another day, to take out more enemy.
 
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