Reddit info is not very promising can FDEV shed light on it
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Perhaps. I doubt it, however. Time will tell - the time to sort out this argument is in a year or so. But I suspect that we will find that somewhere between much and most of horizons is not directly connected to landings. The only snippet we have thus far - that drop 2 of landings is loot and crafting, certainly suggests this. Sure, it sounds like the first thing you will be able to loot is abandoned equipment on rocks moons, but looting, done properly, needs to have a wider remit than that.
People still seem to be thinking that an expansion is a traditional content focussed thing. And it is clear that it is no more focussed than the expansions we have had since release. You are not buying a feature when you buy the season pass. You are buying a year's worth of expansions. Which is fine if you understand that, but has been sprung on us when all the language thus far suggested that expansions were features like landings or walkies.
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Because I am stupid enough to hope that I may eventually get the enough of the game I was sold during the kickstarter to make it worthwhile. FD are not chasing any more of my money, since they will not get a penny until they have fulfilled their promises. And hey are well short of that.
And, if they had fessed up earlier in their PR, they would be in better shape to take the flak. Instead, "colossal announcement" rah rah sis boom bah was all we heard.
I think they were afraid of leaking the pricing scheme, and the length of time needed to implement features.
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And, paying money, without information, for a pig in a poke is even sillier.
Yes, the 'malice aforethought' thing is interesting. We will never know. Did they deliberately set out in the kickstarter to describe a game that was different to what they intended to build? Probably not. If they had, then they kept the deception up well, and for a considerable period. Read through the DDF and you will find no real hint of the MMO-like focus we have now, and the DDF proposals all came from FD. The change of direction that I noticed was around a year ago, so I would not be at all surprised if their intent changed.
Note that you will not find me complaining about the funding model. I understand that they need a revenue stream. You will find me complaining about the cloak and dagger stuff, weasel words and just not telling us straight.
Very good. I'm not buying.
How about a ten year break of not buying?
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And, that is the essence of it. A year ago, they figured out that the buy once revenue model was not going to work.
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Trying to land a not very aerodynamic object on an airless rock is one thing... Trying to fly it on say Neptune's cloudtops with 900mph winds and getting the visuals just right, is something COMPLETELY different. As much as i want to do that I want FD to nail it the first time and currently the timeline is set to do that.
They did explain it that way. I knew that the planetary landings would be split over several expansions starting with atmosphere less planets. Maybe they could have been clearer but I always interpreted it as a separate expansion, that would need to be bought, for each stage.
Got to be the most fantastical post on here. Totally not based on fact. Lol.
Don't forget it's cutting at least in two. I could see them very well selling gazeous plannets next year claiming "tellurics need more work, later". And the season after "We have tellurics done....but not earthlikes because they require more work"
Your planetary landings might endup costing you 200$ overall, on top of the other prices.
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So another thread made about not wanting to pay 40 quid a year for access to expanded content. Great.
The only valid point is that you are buying blind. Perhaps if we were given a summary teaser for thebyear it might help.
The only valid point is that you are buying blind. Perhaps if we were given a summary teaser for thebyear it might help.
Rep for (my new word of the day) .. "tellurics" .. ooooo
Don't know though, FD don't ALWAYS wait for things to be ONE hundred and ONE percent finished before release BUT .. they are known to be futureproofing the game, so will be "finished enough to allow improvements" later.
Basically we don't know how it will break down but, speaking from Kickstart and looking at the expansion seasons versus the lifetime pass, early adoption looks a decent deal .. Then worry becomes moot, can sit back and enjoy the season(s). A big step for many, I know it was for me, but there have been lots of posts of how it breaks down over 2, 3, 4 or 5 + years.
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Agreed. Hopefully that sort of thing will come .. I imagine there will still be a chance to buy, the season at least on and after beta when there will be spoilers. Don't speak for FD and not marketing for them either here, but nice to see the expansion pass available long enough for people to judge what a couple of ideas for the future "might" look like, allowing them to go on quality, from what we have so far. Wouldn't blame FD for withdrawing it either though .. that's "selling stuff" 101
Don't know though, FD don't ALWAYS wait for things to be ONE hundred and ONE percent finished before release
BUT .. they are known to be futureproofing the game, so will be "finished enough to allow improvements" later.Basically we don't know how it will break down but, speaking from Kickstart and looking at the expansion seasons versus the lifetime pass, early adoption looks a decent deal .. Then worry becomes moot, can sit back and enjoy the season(s). A big step for many, I know it was for me, but there have been lots of posts of how it breaks down over 2, 3, 4 or 5 + years.
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Agreed. Hopefully that sort of thing will come .. I imagine there will still be a chance to buy, the season at least on and after beta when there will be spoilers. Don't speak for FD and not marketing for them either here, but nice to see the expansion pass available long enough for people to judge what a couple of ideas for the future "might" look like, allowing them to go on quality, from what we have so far. Wouldn't blame FD for withdrawing it either though .. that's "selling stuff" 101
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Personally I would have preferred lifeless planets with atmosphere as well but if this means they can flesh everything out more then I am game. To be honest one of the things im really looking forward to is flying down seeing the atmospheric entry and looking up at all the different kind of skies in different atmosphere types. Also flying into gas giants where I hope they can put some floating stations. Im very scared by the idea of life (especially animals) just because its going to be so hard to do well procedurally with variety and I dont just want Earth analogues (how boring would it be to fly down on a non terraformed planet and just find pine forests, lakes and bears). Theyll need an exo biologist for that one as I think we need to see unique lifeforms that look alien and are grounded in science.
Yes, if you think that was not based on facts, then your post must indeed be one of the most fantastical posts on here. I assume that you failed to quote the 'non-facts' because you did not spot any?
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I knew there would be multiple drops for planetary landings, too. They suggested it would cost as much as a complete game because that was the size it was. No problem there. What they did not hint was that they way they would deliver it would mean that you would have to pay at least twice the cost of the game to get it (unless you were prepared to wait, of course).
Yeah I do have the lifetime pass I got with beta when I was all rosy eyed and hadn't yet witnessed FD's marketing shenanigans. But I guess I'm one of those people not caring only for their own wallet, the overall behaviour of the company is important, too, and what we got is a smaller Ubisoft.
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I can see both sides of it:
On the one hand I'm sure atmospherics is a massive undertaking. I'd rather they took longer over it and got it right.
£40 isn't a lot for a game you enjoy if you view it in terms of a subscription model. I personally would hate a sub-based system and it is 'exciting' being part of a living, continually developing game. Cobra Mk. IV only for those who bought the game in the first year is IMO at least some way of mitigating against the 'cheap for new customers, expensive for current' thing. So, £40 isn't at all bad compared to a sub and you don't have to pay it to keep playing your current game as you would with a sub (though to be fair the game was never billed as a subscription title and it's not as though FD could legitimately pull the plug in that regard and start demanding a sub...).
On the other hand...
£40 is a full price game. Full price game. Let's not forget that. An entire game is sold for this amount and you can expect the same for next year's season and so forth. Fallout 4 and the Witcher 3 are in a similar price bracket and have both seen many years of development. IMO Wings, Power Play and CQC do not equate the value of a full title. If you view Horizons purely as an 'expansion,' it's expensive.
Not only that, but it's not even ready/finished as a normal 'expansion' or 'full title' would be; your £40 only entitles you to (probably) a bare bones launch around December with the rest of the year for them to work on the content, whilst you pay full price up front.
FD want you to go in blind: Not prepared to talk about anything beyond planetary landings, yet very keen to stress that landings are only one part of what you're buying.
Limited time discount (why?) and high relative price for existing customers, with very little confirmation on what content you're paying for. Feels a bit like crowd funding again; paying for a beta product of which you know very little about (but at full price).
To continue beta access (from Standard Beta) will cost another £10. This is a bit cheeky IMO; should have either been free or half price for existing beta customers. Especially considering that this helps FD as well as being fun for us. Sure, £10 isn't a lot seen on it's own, but it bumps that price up to £50, which combined with the 'limited time only' discount and 'don't know what you're buying' deal comes over as bit money-grubbing IMO.
Just my opinion though. I'll be watching this space for more info before placing a pre-order.
On the one hand I'm sure atmospherics is a massive undertaking. I'd rather they took longer over it and got it right.
£40 isn't a lot for a game you enjoy if you view it in terms of a subscription model. I personally would hate a sub-based system and it is 'exciting' being part of a living, continually developing game. Cobra Mk. IV only for those who bought the game in the first year is IMO at least some way of mitigating against the 'cheap for new customers, expensive for current' thing. So, £40 isn't at all bad compared to a sub and you don't have to pay it to keep playing your current game as you would with a sub (though to be fair the game was never billed as a subscription title and it's not as though FD could legitimately pull the plug in that regard and start demanding a sub...).
On the other hand...
£40 is a full price game. Full price game. Let's not forget that. An entire game is sold for this amount and you can expect the same for next year's season and so forth. Fallout 4 and the Witcher 3 are in a similar price bracket and have both seen many years of development. IMO Wings, Power Play and CQC do not equate the value of a full title. If you view Horizons purely as an 'expansion,' it's expensive.
Not only that, but it's not even ready/finished as a normal 'expansion' or 'full title' would be; your £40 only entitles you to (probably) a bare bones launch around December with the rest of the year for them to work on the content, whilst you pay full price up front.
FD want you to go in blind: Not prepared to talk about anything beyond planetary landings, yet very keen to stress that landings are only one part of what you're buying.
Limited time discount (why?) and high relative price for existing customers, with very little confirmation on what content you're paying for. Feels a bit like crowd funding again; paying for a beta product of which you know very little about (but at full price).
To continue beta access (from Standard Beta) will cost another £10. This is a bit cheeky IMO; should have either been free or half price for existing beta customers. Especially considering that this helps FD as well as being fun for us. Sure, £10 isn't a lot seen on it's own, but it bumps that price up to £50, which combined with the 'limited time only' discount and 'don't know what you're buying' deal comes over as bit money-grubbing IMO.
Just my opinion though
. I'll be watching this space for more info before placing a pre-order.
Good point here, I don't like that.
Bad point, I've not seen anything looking like a "flight model" in NSM, their planets are a few km² and their "atmospheres" are a few hundred meters high.
NSM is on my buying list, I'm sure I'll love it, but technically you can't compare both. I'll add that planetary landing and playing a xenobiologist is the core feature of NSM, while Elite 84 gameplay is the core feature of E: D
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