Removing rammers

Renraiku

Renraiku
Renraiku said:
Repeatedly destroying a ship without giving reason and opportunity to alter the actions provoking the repeated attack is not fine.
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Maggie_Oz said:
Can you show me where? I spent a fair bit of time going over both of them yesterday and they make no mention of anything like that that I can find
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Not strictly mentioned as an example, however may be deemed as such pending interpretation.

Link to the Code of Conduct from the EULA & TOS

HARASSMENT
We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation.
 

Maggie_Oz

Maggie_Oz
Renraiku said:
Not strictly mentioned as an example, however may be deemed as such pending interpretation.

Link to the Code of Conduct from the EULA & TOS

HARASSMENT
We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation.
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How is that relevant to Combat Logging though?
 

Renraiku

Renraiku
Let me rephrase my sentence.

The below items are not a moral code.
Some of these items have been defined in the EULA & TOS.
Some of these items have been defined/elaborated on by FDev themselves
Not necessarily both.

Does this help?

Ramming is fine.
Destroying a ship for no reason is fine.
Repeatedly destroying a ship without giving reason and opportunity to alter the actions provoking the repeated attack is not fine.
Combat logging is not fine.
Menu logging is fine. (although it would be nice if that timer was longer.)
 

Maggie_Oz

Maggie_Oz
Renraiku said:
Let me rephrase my sentence.

The below items are not a moral code.
Some of these items have been defined in the EULA & TOS.
Some of these items have been defined/elaborated on by FDev themselves
Not necessarily both.

Does this help?

Ramming is fine.
Destroying a ship for no reason is fine.
Repeatedly destroying a ship without giving reason and opportunity to alter the actions provoking the repeated attack is not fine.
Combat logging is not fine.
Menu logging is fine. (although it would be nice if that timer was longer.)
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Not really no. I have not seen a single one of these mentioned anywhere. Perhaps they might be in forum posts but that doesn't cut it for me.
The only thing might be the repeated destruction of a ship which could possibly be seen as harassment, the response to which could quite justifiably be "combat logging."

These items seem to me to be nothing more than a view held by some members of the community.
 

CMDR X

CMDR X
Morbad said:
Your CMDR was probably breaking the speed limit, while the other CMDR probably was not, or was only doing so outside the no-fire zone.
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He hit me in no-f zone, right next to slot. I was standing still. I smacked him outside no-f zone. He destroyed my ship why was I sent to jail?
 

CMDR X

CMDR X
Renraiku said:
This was a bait.
You have now experienced it, you can avoid it in the future.
You have lost a little time and enough credits to refuel a large ship. Don't sweat it. losing ships will happen, be glad is was an eagle and not a Cutter.
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I don't care about the ship or the fact that I got attacked. I lost my Corvette yesterday to a "skilled" chaff monkey (minding my own business outside JM).
I was just peeeed at the injustice and having to transfer my Hauler just so I could get home. A stupid waste of what little time I have to play.
X.
 
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Maggie_Oz

Maggie_Oz
Renraiku said:
Combat logging is defined by FDev as an Exploit, Exploits are explicitly mentioned in the EULA & TOS.
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But it hasn't though, there is nothing in the official documentation that says that. EULA, TOS and Code of Conduct are the things that we agree to adhere too and none of them defines combat logging, and to be fair they don't really define any particular game behaviour beyond the generic.
 

Morbad

Morbad
CMDR X said:
He hit me in no-f zone, right nex to slot. I was standing still. I smacked him outside no-f zone. He destroyed my ship why was I sent to jail?
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If you're certain you were outside the no fire zone (which is ~8km in radius around Jameson), then you must have had some other bounty when your ship was destroyed.
 

Renraiku

Renraiku
— Sandro Sammarco, January 27, 2015[1]
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Combat Logging is the act of logging off or exiting a session of Elite Dangerous during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to insurance costs, but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as smuggling, and to avoid losing valuable or difficult to obtain commodities. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to Frontier Developments for review.
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FRONTIER DEVELOPMENTS Code of Conduct

CHEATING

We do not tolerate cheating of any kind in our online multiplayer games. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of automated scripts, programs or services offered outside of the game to generate a player advantage, altering game code or memory, sharing or trading account access with others or using cheat codes.


We do not tolerate the use of any exploits or taking advantage of any bugs in the game to generate a significant player advantage.


Any user determined to be cheating or exploiting our games or services can be subject to game moderation. Moderation can involve the alteration or removal of in-game assets, a gameplay suspension or ban, or the termination of their Frontier account. Moderation can be applied to active, historical, and promoters of cheating or exploiting.
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Exploit highlighted for your convenience.
 

ocflyer

ocflyer
@Maggie_Oz Are you really trying to justify combat logging? Is combat logging something you do regularly and are trying to make yourself feel better about a tactic that FDev had said is an exploit?
 

Renraiku

Renraiku
FDev defined the action. The earlier they define an action as an exploit the better it is for them.

You disbelieving the definition doesn't change the fact that it is an exploit.

Your argument is lost and I am done with you.
 

Maggie_Oz

Maggie_Oz
Renraiku said:
FDev defined the action. The earlier they define an action as an exploit the better it is for them.

You disbelieving the definition doesn't change the fact that it is an exploit.

Your argument is lost and I am done with you.
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Goodo.
I'll wait to see if any actual evidence of the status of Combat Logging ever arises.
 

Maggie_Oz

Maggie_Oz
Paul Smith the 3rd said:
Simple solution, combat log with somebody else in the instance and let the other report you for it. See what happens.
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It's interesting to note that since 2015 there have been a number of players who have done just that and there has been an avalanche of butthurt about FD's seeming inactivity on the issue.
 
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